From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Gregory Heytings Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Do shorthands break basic tooling (tags, grep, etc)? (was Re: Shorthands have landed on master) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2021 13:41:02 +0000 Message-ID: <25d8d720226482fb4a35@heytings.org> References: <16338bdc2497fc51c6fb6d54ab370bfb@webmail.orcon.net.nz> <874ka5gsqa.fsf@gnus.org> <25d8d72022b571db5291@heytings.org> <87h7e2xsl5.fsf@gmail.com> <25d8d72022e1ea7ed022@heytings.org> <25d8d7202296cdd07290@heytings.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="6787"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: =?UTF-8?Q?Andr=C3=A9_A=2E_Gomes?= , Phil Sainty , Lars Ingebrigtsen , Richard Stallman , emacs-devel To: =?UTF-8?Q?Jo=C3=A3o_T=C3=A1vora?= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Sep 30 16:11:48 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mVwmq-0001Yx-32 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 30 Sep 2021 16:11:48 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37262 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mVwmp-00062H-7c for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 30 Sep 2021 10:11:47 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:38384) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mVwJC-0007D2-5k for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Sep 2021 09:41:10 -0400 Original-Received: from heytings.org ([95.142.160.155]:58454) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mVwJ7-0003MT-0N; Thu, 30 Sep 2021 09:41:09 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=heytings.org; s=20210101; t=1633009262; bh=9X6YjG/v/aAOA2cIcCnoHhPL+hldBwaRXt1ydZtDloA=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:References:From; b=PjCIA0VA8YU7am0AlLCHGbbDDfvBxOgXNAQQsrQX9gJmaMfcT+7POyfvL3TBdShfH KxC+3INUXmIV/VzfTuViKs+o87De/N7kQCDTF8O4jiRemkZkzWg/ArMY1Zvt6Kdu9q kLdvwi4DhFHbcL4wAkq5mG+98R/sj5pcipbpl65y9xv8DUR+Ed766gjvoLzr2Jn5Um nuaHVet9PakzlaOaf6GtfrBsP3FJVnEo4gTZQm+Ygn1PwlMlI17XFdKZmzf1qCTGdw PuLJzGxX/PClFGsLkOrp277XU8KGVGz/1hAmoChuqlg2weegEzOCulwOjzSsxPev0b U17b2L/URrdBw== In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=95.142.160.155; envelope-from=gregory@heytings.org; helo=heytings.org X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:275900 Archived-At: >> Of course not. And comment blocks are not a problem AFAICS, visiting >> the file will clearly show that this is not an actual call. In C it's >> preprocessing that is a problem. And function pointers. > > Uhhh, indirection, tremble!!! Nice one, function pointers! Fortunately > no-one ever, ever, stores functions in variables in Lisp. Phew! > Inopportune irony. I mentioned calling function in variables two lines above: "Even a tool that would be aware of the Lisp read primitive cannot categorically answer that question, for example when function names are created dynamically, or with (apply variable args)."