console output error in X (2nd report)

console output error in X (2nd report)

[A. Lucien Meyers]

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In GNU Emacs 21.1.1 (i686-pc-linux-gnu, Motif Version 2.1.30)
 of 2002-04-18 on landhaus.consult-meyers.com
configured using `configure  --host=i686-pc-linux-gnu --prefix=/usr --libexecdir=/usr/lib --mandir=/usr/share/man --infodir=/usr/share/info --with-x --with-xpm --with-jpeg --with-tiff --with-gif --with-png --with-x-toolkit=motif'
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  value of $LC_MONETARY: nil
  value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil
  value of $LC_TIME: nil
  value of $LANG: de_DE@euro
  locale-coding-system: iso-latin-9
  default-enable-multibyte-characters: t

Please describe exactly what actions triggered the bug
and the precise symptoms of the bug:

Reported this bug about 2 months ago but it is still unresolved. When
entering Latin 9 umlaut special characters in X, examples ö, ä, ï, ü,
the emacs parsing in X is incorrect and renders a Czech s. This is
definitely an emacs bug because:

1. it occurs identically when starting emacs with the -q switch

2. it always occurs in the same way

3. it does NOT occur in xemacs or other X applications loaded
   simultaneously with emacs in other X consoles on the same machine.


Recent input:
1 ~ ESC [ 2 3 ~ b RET ESC x g n u s RET ESC [ B ESC 
[ A SPC E q SPC E q SPC E q s g SPC E E q s l ESC [ 
2 1 ~ b s ESC p RET ESC [ 2 1 ~ b g g SPC E E q s l 
ESC [ 2 1 ~ b w RET g ESC [ 2 1 ~ b s ESC p RET ESC 
[ 2 1 ~ b g g SPC E E ESC [ 2 1 ~ h s

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Re: console output error in X (2nd report)

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: "A. Lucien Meyers" <a.l.meyers@consult-meyers.com>
> Date: 20 Apr 2002 11:43:19 +0200
> 
> Reported this bug about 2 months ago but it is still unresolved. When
> entering Latin 9 umlaut special characters in X, [...] the emacs
> parsing in X is incorrect and renders a Czech s.

Did you see that in Emacs 21.2 or in the CVS version?  The former is
unlikely to get non-trivial changes, even if reported 2 months ago.

Also, please tell how exactly did you type the Latin-9 characters.

Thanks.

Re: console output error in X (2nd report)

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: "A. Lucien Meyers" <a.l.meyers@consult-meyers.com>
> Date: 20 Apr 2002 17:00:01 +0200
> 
> It looks like a Czech s, i. e. an s with a small crescent lying on top
> of it.

Please go to one of those characters and type "C-u C-x =".  I believe
you will see that it's a Latin-9 character, not a Latin-2 character.
Latin-9 replaces the diaeresis character (whose Latin-1 code is 168
decimal) with a ``s with caron'', which is what you see, I believe.

> Cannot enter normal double quotation marks on X using emacs.

What happens if you type that key twice in a row?

PS. Please keep the bug-gnu-emacs mailing list CC'ed.

Re: console output error in X (2nd report)

[A. Lucien Meyers]

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@fencepost.gnu.org> writes:

> > From: "A. Lucien Meyers" <a.l.meyers@consult-meyers.com>
> > Date: 20 Apr 2002 17:00:01 +0200
> > 
> > It looks like a Czech s, i. e. an s with a small crescent lying on top
> > of it.
> 
> Please go to one of those characters and type "C-u C-x =".  I believe
> you will see that it's a Latin-9 character, not a Latin-2 character.
> Latin-9 replaces the diaeresis character (whose Latin-1 code is 168
> decimal) with a ``s with caron'', which is what you see, I believe.

¨ ¨ Now I am in xemacs and getting real quotation marks as you can see.

¨¨¨¨¨  Wow! Will fire up emacs, load your mail again and answer this.

> > Cannot enter normal double quotation marks on X using emacs.
> 
> What happens if you type that key twice in a row?

I just get a message in the status line (emacsian ??) saying:

dead-diaresis not defined

> PS. Please keep the bug-gnu-emacs mailing list CC'ed.

Hope I have the right email address above.
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Re: console output error in X (2nd report)

[A. Lucien Meyers]

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@fencepost.gnu.org> writes:

> > From: "A. Lucien Meyers" <a.l.meyers@consult-meyers.com>
> > Date: 20 Apr 2002 17:00:01 +0200
> > 
> > It looks like a Czech s, i. e. an s with a small crescent lying on top
> > of it.
> 
> Please go to one of those characters and type "C-u C-x =".  I believe
> you will see that it's a Latin-9 character, not a Latin-2 character.
> Latin-9 replaces the diaeresis character (whose Latin-1 code is 168
> decimal) with a ``s with caron'', which is what you see, I believe.

š

  character: š (01210241, 331937, 0x510a1)
    charset: mule-unicode-0100-24ff (Unicode characters of the range U+0100..U+24FF.)
 code point: 33 33
     syntax: word
   category: l:Latin   u:Mule unicode characters  
buffer code: 0x9C 0xF4 0xA1 0xA1
  file code: 0x9C 0xF4 0xA1 0xA1 (encoded by coding system emacs-mule)
       font: -Adobe-Courier-Medium-R-Normal--12-120-75-75-M-70-ISO10646-1

What is should be is quotation marks like in xemacs.

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Re: console output error in X (2nd report)

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: "A. Lucien Meyers" <a.l.meyers@consult-meyers.com>
> Date: 20 Apr 2002 18:02:30 +0200
> 
>     charset: mule-unicode-0100-24ff (Unicode characters of the range U+0100..U+24FF.)
>  code point: 33 33
>      syntax: word
>    category: l:Latin   u:Mule unicode characters  
> buffer code: 0x9C 0xF4 0xA1 0xA1
>   file code: 0x9C 0xF4 0xA1 0xA1 (encoded by coding system emacs-mule)
>        font: -Adobe-Courier-Medium-R-Normal--12-120-75-75-M-70-ISO10646-1

Unicode?  Do you have some optional feature turned on?  Does your
system have its keyboard set to UTF-8 mode or something?  Does the
whole problem happen in "emacs -q --no-site-file"?

Re: console output error in X (2nd report)

[alm]

Eli,

Was at another location last evening. Have duly loaded emacs using the switches

-q --no-site-file

tried š and, as you can again see, š š š , get exactly the same visual result

but with different outcome of C-u C-x = :

  character: š (07450, 3880, 0xf28)
    charset: latin-iso8859-15 (Right-Hand Part of Latin Alphabet 9 (ISO/IEC 8859-15): ISO-IR-203)
 code point: 40
     syntax: word
   category: l:Latin  
buffer code: 0x8E 0xA8
  file code: 0x8E 0xA8 (encoded by coding system emacs-mule-unix)
       font: -Adobe-Courier-Medium-R-Normal--12-120-75-75-M-70-ISO8859-15

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Re: console output error in X (2nd report)

[alm]

Eli,

Was at another location last evening. Have duly loaded emacs using the switches

-q --no-site-file

tried š and, as you can again see, š š š , get exactly the same visual result

but with different outcome of C-u C-x = :

  character: š (07450, 3880, 0xf28)
    charset: latin-iso8859-15 (Right-Hand Part of Latin Alphabet 9 (ISO/IEC 8859-15): ISO-IR-203)
 code point: 40
     syntax: word
   category: l:Latin  
buffer code: 0x8E 0xA8
  file code: 0x8E 0xA8 (encoded by coding system emacs-mule-unix)
       font: -Adobe-Courier-Medium-R-Normal--12-120-75-75-M-70-ISO8859-15

Lucien
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Re: console output error in X (2nd report)

[Eli Zaretskii]

On 21 Apr 2002 alm@landhaus.consult-meyers.com wrote:

> tried ¨ and, as you can again see, ¨ ¨ ¨ , get exactly the same visual result
> 
> but with different outcome of C-u C-x = :
> 
>   character: ¨ (07450, 3880, 0xf28)
>     charset: latin-iso8859-15 (Right-Hand Part of Latin Alphabet 9 (ISO/IEC 8859-15): ISO-IR-203)

That's what I'd expect in the Latin-9 language environment.  Latin-9 
doesn't have a single diaeresis character, so you can't have it.