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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:310936 Archived-At: From: Richard Stallman Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2023 16:26:24 -0400 I first saw CIDER mentioned in a recent discussion, and no one who mentioned it explained what it does. I don't know what SLIME does either. Would you please tell me briefly what they do, in 20 lines for each? I don't want details, at least not to start. It's even easier than that: SLIME is "The Superior Lisp Interaction Mode for Emacs" and it essentially replaced ILISP among Emacs users in the CL development community 20-odd years ago. SLIME provides REPL, debugging interface, inspector, and editing hacks for Emacs. CIDER is "the Clojure(Script) Interactive Development Environment that Rocks," so it's similar for Clojure; I've never used CIDER, but it says it was inspired by SLIME. -- Bob Rogers http://www.rgrjr.com/