From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Bob Rogers Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Android port of Emacs Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2023 12:34:08 -0700 Message-ID: <25740.47408.483612.489938@orion.rgrjr.com> References: <83v8fnslfz.fsf@gnu.org> <87v8fnh1h2.fsf@web.de> <83mt0zs9rc.fsf@gnu.org> <87r0qbgxov.fsf@web.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="27669"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii , "Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Jun 16 21:35:06 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qAFDr-0006sq-EI for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 16 Jun 2023 21:35:03 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qAFD7-0002Oq-Bv; Fri, 16 Jun 2023 15:34:17 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qAFD6-0002OU-FU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Jun 2023 15:34:16 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-pl1-x636.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::636]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qAFD3-0001TF-Kw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Jun 2023 15:34:16 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-pl1-x636.google.com with SMTP id d9443c01a7336-1b51780bed0so8928555ad.3 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2023 12:34:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rgrjr-com.20221208.gappssmtp.com; s=20221208; t=1686944051; x=1689536051; h=references:in-reply-to:subject:cc:to:date:message-id :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:from:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=Nwy1vKqMk4gevsS1rt1Y0D8DWapU3gB3k+L+UYIA2Kc=; b=XfCQehsR4ZM2EGS7DW/vUgf21f32cVRonwdGJA0KkDdn4Dz5UN1P1TNhiXDorYmuCs QPgfgitxa9SELWW4Ppsus8w/yXuo98LKja0GdKERnyKvu45v1EmKMq7aG7yXp0CDSsIC ytpeXaapV5U8atlkeBQkK8YqL5mO/bILsRknYS4Ve+rYswIHI4peK2/OPix5VzBxm/de dXaAJxb1uKTcwx2HzkiUMcySTS7ayYwcBybm6YUgSqU2aw1pAJAG4MtjIICL7yxgeqB2 6/+O0YzuN4jRvUV+PFa9h/U04xQxViLaOvqhJo+iqijQA0DxqIMucdhT+4PebdL8LXGk C9Ww== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1686944051; x=1689536051; h=references:in-reply-to:subject:cc:to:date:message-id :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:from:x-gm-message-state:from :to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=Nwy1vKqMk4gevsS1rt1Y0D8DWapU3gB3k+L+UYIA2Kc=; b=gD6KyHCrt67sSREpn6RcXHN9JFxkGGepA77jnnaXPBZPIpT5wTbDj7+SOHREgFpvTU Za1ucbrNiSsTN1om3FezigxapBiFG2D+ol/8GEf74Xd61yQgvjSwC0cN/AGh/DjXi1Ta SA133qszCq2gQjc9o2bUjuZAdMEtX+oa3MIJMD35hMmUz7GehLldVQwYNkOVsCQ+z1Nj fs4f8Vz4EA2PYPGDKen1I4KQ2DsCtfZdF2l3T7Z3fQl1e8AOy5OGpZqlkGDL2ow2KmUR 31cCxrXcZDFworBW1gmwN+f4+bKhMH5JFSpegI3cG+hXS05sx4f/FENXVvGDremqlcUf JMaA== X-Gm-Message-State: AC+VfDxYC/8FG1PWP+vgbYiyNkhuZ3l2HpqVmoVaPC1YNF9TLDm0lVXh a6SBBSssnFtVq5z0Cy0aTF8uzA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACHHUZ5vneDVxAovRYumbnbCElH2GS1VtTcCQqBXXHsUT+R60ACt6zL6dFnUL8FWjT7+rxZnRxJ8jQ== X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:740c:b0:1b3:dfe5:600a with SMTP id g12-20020a170902740c00b001b3dfe5600amr3011184pll.31.1686944051165; Fri, 16 Jun 2023 12:34:11 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from orion.rgrjr.com ([2600:1700:7c2c:e000::48]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id bh4-20020a170902a98400b001b03a7a40e7sm7305839plb.19.2023.06.16.12.34.09 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Fri, 16 Jun 2023 12:34:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-Original-From: Bob Rogers In-Reply-To: <87r0qbgxov.fsf@web.de> X-Mailer: VM 8.2.0b under 30.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Received-SPF: none client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::636; envelope-from=rogers@rgrjr.com; helo=mail-pl1-x636.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.0 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.093, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:306839 Archived-At: From: "Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide" Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2023 18:34:16 +0200 Eli Zaretskii writes: > Thanks, but what you say gives the POV of an Android user, not the POV > of the Emacs maintenance. I have no doubt whatsoever that having > Emacs on Android will benefit Android users; my doubts are whether we > as the project should and can take upon ourselves this additional > maintenance burden, and promise the Android users that we will > maintain, let alone develop, this port for the years to come. That’s not the view of an Android user (I do not currently use Android, except as an offline two-factor device), but the view of a long term Emacs user: It is a big advantage for me that Emacs will be wherever my future life with computers takes me. Hear, hear. I hate my Android phone for many reasons, chief among them is that it doesn't have Emacs. I haven't been brave enough yet to try Po Lu's port (largely because I'm such a phone idiot), but I'm sure I'll need it sooner or later, because despite my resistance I'm being pushed into greater dependence on my phone, so the handwriting is definitely on the wall. I would think that Android support would provide a measure of future-proofing, if not for Emacs, then for Emacs users. -- Bob Rogers http://www.rgrjr.com/