From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: Key bindings proposal Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 17:00:58 -0700 Message-ID: <252A986014454AF4BE2040E5DE7F6D79@us.oracle.com> References: <19534.1494.627000.357123@gargle.gargle.HOWL><19546.30901.687000.971249@gargle.gargle.HOWL><19546.47167.15000.439215@gargle.gargle.HOWL><87fwys7qao.fsf@telefonica.net><87hbj8qvd9.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87iq3k68ye.fsf@stupidchicken.com><874of466rj.fsf@stupidchicken.com><87pqxsbrie.fsf@stupidchicken.com><87k4nv7t72.fsf@stupidchicken.com><19556.28233.750000.798692@gargle.gargle.HOWL><87aaoqjzge.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87mxsqzfam.fsf@telefonica.net><87wrrue9sk.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87iq3ez21o.fsf@tele! fonica.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1281744085 26810 80.91.229.12 (14 Aug 2010 00:01:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 00:01:25 +0000 (UTC) To: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?'=D3scar_Fuentes'?=" , Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Aug 14 02:01:23 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ok4Bd-0000lt-Hu for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 14 Aug 2010 02:01:21 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36099 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ok4Bc-0003OG-VL for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 13 Aug 2010 20:01:21 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=42267 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ok4BT-0003Nt-JO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Aug 2010 20:01:12 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ok4BS-0005zW-GB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Aug 2010 20:01:11 -0400 Original-Received: from rcsinet10.oracle.com ([148.87.113.121]:21899) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ok4BS-0005z4-BH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Aug 2010 20:01:10 -0400 Original-Received: from rcsinet15.oracle.com (rcsinet15.oracle.com [148.87.113.117]) by rcsinet10.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.2) with ESMTP id o7E012a9002974 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 14 Aug 2010 00:01:04 GMT Original-Received: from acsmt355.oracle.com (acsmt355.oracle.com [141.146.40.155]) by rcsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id o7DDBqNb010894; Sat, 14 Aug 2010 00:01:02 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt007.oracle.com by acsmt355.oracle.com with ESMTP id 516058131281744061; Fri, 13 Aug 2010 17:01:01 -0700 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.218.59) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Fri, 13 Aug 2010 17:01:01 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <87iq3ez21o.fsf@telefonica.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 Thread-Index: Acs7JrmrBlpoJnDjSmOQBB9AugMVcQAC1yBw X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:128642 Archived-At: > > The current standard is used on all platforms: the key > > labelled "Alt" on the keyboard is handled internally by > > Emacs as Meta. > > Windows users couldn't care less about what Emacs does on all > the other platforms. W r o n g . That is sooooo silly. Lots of people (including yours truly) use multiple platforms (including Windows) to do their work. And some of us use Emacs. FWIW, at Oracle most developers use Windows to access remote GNU/Linux boxes on farms somewhere out there in the ether. Many of them use Emacs locally (running on Windows) as well as remotely (running on GNU/Linux). Many of them also access remote files on the GNU/Linux boxes using Emacs running on Windows. I wouldn't be surprised if the same were true for developers in some other large companies. Yes, no doubt that is not representative of most Windows users. Most Windows users are not even developers. The point is that it is ridiculous to claim that "Windows users couldn't care less about what Emacs does on other platforms." You have only to look at Emacs Wiki or help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, or google for examples of user .emacs files, to see that some people have init files that are adapted to multiple platforms. And guess what? It's _always_ been like that. Long before there was a Windows at all people used Emacs on multiple platforms. And (trust me) they do care that the default behavior be the same or at least similar on the platforms they use. Relative platform independence is an important Emacs feature. And it's not just about byte code.