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From: "Drew Adams" <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: "'Óscar Fuentes'" <ofv@wanadoo.es>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: RE: Key bindings proposal
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 17:00:58 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <252A986014454AF4BE2040E5DE7F6D79@us.oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87iq3ez21o.fsf@telefonica.net>

> > The current standard is used on all platforms: the key 
> > labelled "Alt" on the keyboard is handled internally by
> > Emacs as Meta.
> 
> Windows users couldn't care less about what Emacs does on all 
> the other platforms.

W r o n g .     That is sooooo silly.

Lots of people (including yours truly) use multiple platforms (including
Windows) to do their work.  And some of us use Emacs.

FWIW, at Oracle most developers use Windows to access remote GNU/Linux boxes on
farms somewhere out there in the ether.  Many of them use Emacs locally (running
on Windows) as well as remotely (running on GNU/Linux).  Many of them also
access remote files on the GNU/Linux boxes using Emacs running on Windows.

I wouldn't be surprised if the same were true for developers in some other large
companies.

Yes, no doubt that is not representative of most Windows users.  Most Windows
users are not even developers.

The point is that it is ridiculous to claim that "Windows users couldn't care
less about what Emacs does on other platforms."  You have only to look at Emacs
Wiki or help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, or google for examples of user .emacs files, to
see that some people have init files that are adapted to multiple platforms.

And guess what?  It's _always_ been like that.  Long before there was a Windows
at all people used Emacs on multiple platforms.  And (trust me) they do care
that the default behavior be the same or at least similar on the platforms they
use.

Relative platform independence is an important Emacs feature.
And it's not just about byte code. 




  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-08-14  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 277+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-07-26 22:01 Key bindings proposal [Was: Emacs learning curve] Uday S Reddy
2010-07-27  3:17 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-07-27 10:32 ` Key bindings proposal Stefan Monnier
2010-07-27 11:30   ` Eric M. Ludlam
2010-07-27 11:32   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-07-27 12:03     ` Stefan Monnier
2010-07-27 16:41       ` Uday S Reddy
2010-07-27 23:32         ` Miles Bader
2010-07-29 14:05           ` Stefan Monnier
2010-07-27 16:41       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-07-27 17:52         ` Uday S Reddy
2010-07-28  5:57           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-07-28 18:32             ` Uday S Reddy
2010-07-29  5:47               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-07-29 15:28   ` Uday S Reddy
2010-07-29 16:05     ` Andreas Röhler
2010-07-31  7:16     ` Mathias Dahl
2010-07-31 10:04       ` Uday S Reddy
2010-07-31 14:07         ` Alan Mackenzie
2010-07-31 18:17         ` Drew Adams
2010-08-02 14:59           ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-02 17:59             ` Drew Adams
2010-08-02 18:10               ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-03  9:45                 ` Jan Djärv
2010-08-03 10:02                   ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-03  2:09               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-03 11:56               ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-03 14:04                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-08-03 15:02                   ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-03 15:16                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-08-03 15:54                       ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-03 15:18                     ` David Kastrup
2010-08-03 15:51                       ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-03 15:58                         ` no forking relation (was: Key bindings proposal) Drew Adams
2010-08-05  8:39                   ` Key bindings proposal Uday S Reddy
2010-08-05  9:22                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-08-05 11:00                       ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-05 11:24                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-08-05 12:16                           ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-05 13:59                             ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-05 14:07                               ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-05 13:10                         ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-05 13:13                           ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-08-05 13:22                           ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-05 13:48                             ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-05 14:01                               ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-05 14:01                                 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-05 17:08                                   ` Uday S Reddy
     [not found]                                 ` <19546.51009.703000.960158@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
2010-08-05 14:18                                   ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-06  0:50                             ` Jason Rumney
2010-08-06  1:28                               ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-06  1:35                                 ` Jason Rumney
2010-08-06  1:41                                   ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-06  1:58                                     ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-06  2:16                                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-08-06  2:38                                         ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-06  2:34                                       ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-06  2:55                                         ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-06  3:11                                           ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-06  6:05                                             ` Jason Rumney
2010-08-06 15:07                                               ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-06 15:29                                                 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-05 20:33                           ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-08-05 21:26                             ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-05 22:55                               ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-06  0:05                               ` Drew Adams
2010-08-06  7:46                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-06  3:21                             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-06  3:25                               ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-06  5:22                                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-06  6:21                                   ` Tassilo Horn
2010-08-06  5:09                               ` Miles Bader
2010-08-06  9:02                                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-06 17:32                               ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-06 17:46                                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-08-06 18:40                                   ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-06 19:13                                   ` Drew Adams
2010-08-06 19:04                                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-08-08 22:22                                 ` Chong Yidong
2010-08-08 22:29                                   ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-08 23:06                                     ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-08-08 23:09                                     ` Chong Yidong
     [not found]                                       ` <AANLkTim86uB8Yb3P9_HX2NN=RQ6svVTvXfyvUQfAJAnE@mail.gmail! .com>
2010-08-08 23:19                                       ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-08 23:42                                         ` Chong Yidong
     [not found]                                           ` <AANLkTikRWNmYsEqJX7ccPFGsBobNLkeYRY+1BvnBDOt9!! @mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]                                           ` <AANLkTikRWNmYsEqJX7ccPFGsBobNLkeYRY+1BvnBDOt9! @mail.gmail.com>
2010-08-09 14:50                                           ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-09 15:16                                             ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-09 16:08                                               ` Drew Adams
2010-08-10  7:30                                                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-12 15:21                                             ` Chong Yidong
2010-08-12 15:46                                               ` Andreas Schwab
2010-08-12 16:13                                                 ` Jan Djärv
2010-08-12 15:59                                               ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-12 21:20                                                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-08-12 21:57                                                   ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-12 22:06                                                     ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-12 22:12                                                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-08-12 23:02                                                       ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-12 23:11                                                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-08-13  8:57                                                       ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-13 14:42                                                         ` Drew Adams
2010-08-13 14:57                                                           ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-13 16:09                                                             ` Drew Adams
2010-08-13 16:15                                                               ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-13 17:40                                                                 ` David Robinow
2010-08-14  0:01                                                                 ` Drew Adams
2010-08-13 16:07                                                           ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-13 22:34                                                             ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-08-14  0:01                                                             ` Drew Adams
2010-08-14  9:23                                                               ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-13 22:53                                                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-08-14  7:08                                                           ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-13 15:37                                                     ` Chong Yidong
2010-08-13 15:46                                                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-08-13 16:50                                                         ` Chong Yidong
2010-08-13 20:32                                                           ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-08-13 22:37                                                             ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-08-13 23:30                                                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-08-13 23:53                                                                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-08-14  0:21                                                                   ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-08-15 22:21                                                                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-08-14  0:00                                                             ` Drew Adams [this message]
2010-08-14  0:25                                                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-08-14  2:05                                                                 ` Drew Adams
2010-08-14 10:20                                                                   ` Jeff Clough
2010-08-14  7:48                                                             ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-14  8:18                                                               ` Jason Rumney
2010-08-15 22:27                                                               ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-08-16  7:25                                                           ` christian.lynbech
2010-08-16  7:37                                                             ` Miles Bader
2010-08-13 16:01                                                       ` Jason Rumney
2010-08-13 22:40                                                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-08-13 22:46                                                           ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-13 16:04                                                       ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-13 16:53                                                         ` Chong Yidong
2010-08-14  0:41                                                           ` Jason Rumney
2010-08-14  1:24                                                             ` Chong Yidong
2010-08-14  2:13                                                               ` Jason Rumney
2010-08-14  2:02                                                             ` Drew Adams
2010-08-13 22:43                                                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-08-14  0:30                                                         ` Jason Rumney
2010-08-14 12:07                                                           ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-14 13:56                                                             ` Jason Rumney
2010-08-09  1:01                                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-08-09  8:48                                           ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-09  8:13                                   ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-10  7:52                                   ` Uday Reddy
2010-08-13  9:05                                   ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-03 15:54                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-04  9:52                   ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-04 10:20                     ` joakim
2010-08-04 10:52                       ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-04 11:11                         ` joakim
2010-08-04 11:25                           ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-04 11:44                             ` joakim
2010-08-04 13:24                             ` Jason Rumney
2010-08-04 13:29                               ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-04 11:19                         ` Jan Djärv
2010-08-04 11:27                           ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-04 13:27                             ` Jason Rumney
2010-08-04 13:45                               ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-04 11:16                       ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-04 11:28                         ` Andreas Schwab
2010-08-04 11:36                           ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-04 12:03                             ` Andreas Schwab
2010-08-04 12:09                               ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-04 12:13                                 ` Andreas Schwab
2010-08-04 12:17                                   ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-04 12:33                               ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-04 16:19                                 ` Tom
2010-08-04 17:38                                   ` Stuart Hacking
2010-08-05  2:39                                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-05  8:16                                       ` Stuart Hacking
2010-08-05  8:34                                       ` Andreas Schwab
2010-08-05 11:55                                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-05 12:20                                           ` Andreas Schwab
2010-08-05 12:37                                             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-05 12:47                                               ` Andreas Schwab
2010-08-05  2:28                                   ` Chong Yidong
2010-08-05  3:14                                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-05  7:46                                       ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-05 15:17                                         ` David Kastrup
2010-08-06  3:12                                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-06  5:54                                           ` Jan Djärv
2010-08-06  6:20                                             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-05 14:01                                     ` Richard Stallman
2010-08-05 14:55                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-04 14:06                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-04 13:53                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-04 13:15                       ` Jason Rumney
2010-08-04 10:54                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-04 11:25                       ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-04 14:25                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-04 15:21                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-08-04 15:45                         ` joakim
2010-08-04 12:57                 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-08-02  9:42         ` Stuart Hacking
2010-08-02 10:58           ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-02 11:17             ` Stuart Hacking
2010-08-02 11:58               ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-03  3:03                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-02 10:12         ` Tassilo Horn
2010-08-02 11:24           ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-23 13:45       ` Juri Linkov
2010-08-23 14:14         ` Thierry Volpiatto
2010-08-23 20:56           ` Juri Linkov
2010-08-23 21:15             ` Thierry Volpiatto
2010-08-23 22:36               ` Drew Adams
2010-08-24 13:55                 ` Juri Linkov
2010-08-24 15:20                   ` Thierry Volpiatto
2010-08-24 16:38                   ` Drew Adams
2010-08-25 13:47                     ` Juri Linkov
2010-08-23 14:39         ` Drew Adams
2010-08-23 20:45           ` Juri Linkov
2010-08-24 13:50           ` Juri Linkov
2010-08-24 16:34             ` Drew Adams
2010-08-25 13:48               ` Juri Linkov
2010-08-25 15:07                 ` Drew Adams
2010-08-26 23:22                   ` Juri Linkov
2010-08-27 12:10                     ` Jason Rumney
2010-08-27 22:38                       ` Juri Linkov
2010-08-28  0:01                         ` Stefan Monnier
2010-08-28  7:28                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-30 14:37                             ` Stefan Monnier
2010-08-30 15:34                               ` Drew Adams
2010-08-30 15:39                                 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-30 15:53                                   ` Drew Adams
2010-08-30 16:06                                     ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-30 15:54                                 ` Andreas Schwab
2010-08-30 21:39                                 ` Davis Herring
2010-08-31  5:49                                   ` Jan Djärv
2010-08-31  9:54                                     ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-31 12:14                                       ` Jan Djärv
2010-08-31 21:25                                         ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-28  9:25                           ` Jan Djärv
2010-08-28  1:02                         ` Jason Rumney
2010-08-28  9:20                         ` Jan Djärv
2010-08-28  9:23                           ` Jason Rumney
2010-08-28  9:41                             ` Jan Djärv
2010-08-28 10:13                               ` Jason Rumney
2010-08-28 10:58                                 ` Jan Djärv
2010-08-28 23:16                                   ` Juri Linkov
2010-08-29  7:46                                     ` Jan Djärv
2010-08-29 11:58                                       ` David Kastrup
2010-08-29 12:24                                         ` Jan Djärv
2010-08-25 16:34                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-26 23:23                   ` Juri Linkov
2010-08-27  0:17                     ` Miles Bader
2010-08-27 22:38                       ` Juri Linkov
2010-08-27  8:56           ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-23 17:10         ` Andreas Schwab
2010-08-27  8:18         ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-27 22:34           ` Juri Linkov
2010-08-27 23:12             ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-28 23:27               ` Juri Linkov
2010-07-30  2:04   ` coding guidelines? (was Re: Key bindings proposal) Joe Brenner
2010-07-30  8:33     ` Andreas Schwab
2010-07-30  9:32     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-07-31 19:19       ` Joe Brenner
2010-07-31 19:45         ` Joe Brenner
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-07-29  0:08 Key bindings proposal [Was: Emacs learning curve] Noah Lavine
2010-07-29 11:26 ` Uday S Reddy
2010-07-29 12:21   ` Key bindings proposal joakim
2010-07-29 14:16     ` Stefan Monnier
2010-08-03 20:10 MON KEY
2010-08-03 22:19 ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-03 20:39 MON KEY
2010-08-04  0:11 ` Lennart Borgman
     [not found] <0LflI2-1PHZPs2uvS-00oe0Z@mx.perfora.net>
2010-08-13 10:21 ` Xah Lee
2010-08-13 11:32 grischka
2010-08-13 12:49 ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-13 20:24   ` grischka
2010-08-14  6:37     ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-14  7:59       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-14  9:39         ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-23 13:45       ` Juri Linkov
     [not found] <0LpLKf-1PMJpV3jOf-00eqos@mx.perfora.net>
2010-08-13 17:40 ` Xah Lee
     [not found] <0LuegS-1Osh2D2A3E-00zozI@mx.perfora.net>
2010-08-14  0:14 ` Xah Lee
     [not found] <0MKXcd-1OjFjG3Si7-001yF5@mx.perfora.net>
2010-08-14  0:18 ` Xah Lee
     [not found] <0LyWQo-1Ovn6v30nm-01699h@mx.perfora.net>
2010-08-14 15:19 ` Xah Lee

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