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From: Sebastian Wiesner <swiesner@lunaryorn.com>
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Cc: Emanuel Berg <embe8573@student.uu.se>
Subject: Re: run-with-timer does not display message
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 14:15:19 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2499282.TBjfJc2tWs@lunaryorn-fedora> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <878unputvv.fsf@debian.uxu>

Am Samstag, 19. Juli 2014, 19:43:16 schrieb Emanuel Berg:

> 2. Interestingly, what I can see, my method, with
>    backticks and commas, isn't that "lexical" - because
>    then, there, the actual values are inserted?

Note quite.  The backquote is “static” in that it captures the *value* of the 
variable at the time the backquote is evaluated.  “Lexical” binding captures 
the *variable itself*.

This makes a difference if the variable is changed after capturing.  
Considering the following example:

ELISP> (let ((i 10))
         (setq f-lexical (lambda () i))
         (setq f-backquote `(lambda () ,i))
         (setq i 20))
20 (#o24, #x14, ?\C-t)
ELISP> (funcall f-lexical)
20 (#o24, #x14, ?\C-t)
ELISP> (funcall f-backquote)
10 (#o12, #xa, ?\C-j)

As you can see, changing "i" *after* creating the functions only affects the 
closure created by lexical binding.  The function created by the backquote is 
left untouched.

This specific behaviour is what makes lexical binding special:  Capturing 
*lexical variables* in closures, as opposed to capturing values (by 
backquotes) or just using dynamic variables.  You cannot easily and 
efficiently emulated this behaviour with macros and backquotes.




  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-07-20 12:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-07-15 13:47 run-with-timer does not display message Matthias Pfeifer
2014-07-15 13:53 ` Thorsten Jolitz
2014-07-18 16:26   ` Stefan Monnier
     [not found]   ` <mailman.5631.1405701027.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-07-18 21:34     ` Emanuel Berg
2014-07-19 15:09       ` Sebastian Wiesner
2014-07-19 15:27         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-07-19 17:08           ` Stefan Monnier
2014-07-19 18:04             ` Drew Adams
     [not found]           ` <mailman.5702.1405789759.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-07-19 17:43             ` Emanuel Berg
2014-07-19 18:12               ` Stefan Monnier
2014-07-19 20:06                 ` Lexical and Dynamic Scope Robert Thorpe
2014-07-20 12:15               ` Sebastian Wiesner [this message]
2014-07-21 13:26                 ` run-with-timer does not display message Stefan Monnier
     [not found]               ` <mailman.5708.1405793578.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-07-20 19:27                 ` Emanuel Berg
2014-07-21 13:29                   ` Stefan Monnier
     [not found]                   ` <mailman.5813.1405950328.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-07-21 22:17                     ` Emanuel Berg
2014-07-24  8:25                       ` Stefan Monnier
     [not found]               ` <mailman.5754.1405858540.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-07-20 19:37                 ` Emanuel Berg
2014-07-20 20:11                   ` Drew Adams
2014-07-20 21:28                 ` dynamic and lexical scope, attempted summary with example (was: Re: run-with-timer does not display message) Emanuel Berg
2014-07-21  4:44                   ` dynamic and lexical scope, attempted summary with example Thien-Thi Nguyen
2014-07-21  6:36                     ` Thorsten Jolitz
     [not found]                     ` <mailman.5796.1405924598.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-07-21 14:08                       ` Emanuel Berg
2014-07-21  9:23                   ` Michael Heerdegen
     [not found]                   ` <mailman.5792.1405917701.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-07-21 13:36                     ` Emanuel Berg
2014-07-21 17:07                       ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
     [not found]                       ` <mailman.5826.1405962249.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-07-21 22:11                         ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found]                   ` <mailman.5805.1405934637.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-07-21 14:02                     ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found]       ` <mailman.5686.1405782584.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-07-19 17:49         ` run-with-timer does not display message Emanuel Berg
     [not found] ` <mailman.5455.1405432451.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-07-15 15:35   ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found] <mailman.5454.1405432029.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-07-15 14:34 ` Joost Kremers
2014-07-15 15:18   ` jduthen
2014-07-15 15:20     ` Joost Kremers
2014-07-15 15:40       ` Drew Adams
     [not found]       ` <mailman.5461.1405438875.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-07-15 15:52         ` Joost Kremers
2014-07-15 15:57           ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found]           ` <mailman.5463.1405440423.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-07-15 16:07             ` Emanuel Berg
2014-07-15 16:12             ` Joost Kremers
     [not found]               ` <mailman.5466.1405442248.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-07-16  1:12                 ` Joost Kremers
2014-07-17 10:03                   ` Matthias Pfeifer
     [not found]             ` <<slrnlsakmh.a5k.joost.m.kremers@j.kremers4.news.arnhem.chello.nl>
2014-07-15 16:37               ` Drew Adams
     [not found]         ` <<slrnlsaji8.a5k.joost.m.kremers@j.kremers4.news.arnhem.chello.nl>
2014-07-15 16:06           ` Drew Adams

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