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From: Bruno Haible <bruno-nWNVUoHt2MvYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org>
To: Juri Linkov <juri-GgPz7P5p7nCsTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org>
Cc: emacs-devel-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org,
	rms-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org,
	bug-gettext-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: Emacs i18n
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2019 03:55:10 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2496383.W2xi5VdGD0@omega> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87h8bx5ijn.fsf-i9wRM+HIrmlRTR8OWt4JRw@public.gmane.org>

Hi Juri,

> Currently we have more urgent tasks after the first step of adding
> ‘ngettext’ like in CLISP, the development stalled on the problem of
> splitting messages into domains.

You are very welcome to ask for advice on bug-gettext. It's there that
you can find the experts. (I don't read emacs-devel usually.)

> But maybe CLISP already provides a good way to map packages to gettext
> domains?  Does it require every package to have a separate domain or
> it collects translations from all packages into one domain?

What matters for the domains is what code gets distributed together.

  * When you have two Lisp packages that are released by separate
    groups of developers, of course they must use separate translation
    domains. Otherwise you would have to co-ordinate the merging of their
    POT files, which makes no sense since they make releases at different
    times.

  * On the other hand, when you have two Lisp packages that are always
    released together, in the same tarball, it is more efficient for the
    translators if they receive one notification about a new POT file
    than two notifications about two POT files on the same day.

For Common Lisp code, the Common Lisp package name _may_ be used to
derive the domain name. But this is up to the developers.

For reference, i18n in CLISP is described here:
https://clisp.sourceforge.io/impnotes/i18n-mod.html
https://www.gnu.org/software/gettext/manual/html_node/Common-Lisp.html
and there is a sample and a test case in GNU gettext:
https://git.savannah.gnu.org/gitweb/?p=gettext.git;a=blob;f=gettext-tools/examples/hello-clisp/hello.lisp.in
https://git.savannah.gnu.org/gitweb/?p=gettext.git;a=blob;f=gettext-tools/tests/lang-clisp

Bruno




  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-03-21  2:55 UTC|newest]

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2019-03-20 11:59 Emacs i18n Bruno Haible
2019-03-20 16:36 ` Paul Eggert
2019-03-20 21:32 ` Juri Linkov
2019-03-21  2:14   ` Richard Stallman
     [not found]     ` <E1h6nE3-0000bt-SW-iW7gFb+/I3LZHJUXO5efmti2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2019-03-21 21:45       ` Juri Linkov
2019-03-23  2:28         ` Richard Stallman
2019-03-23  7:55           ` Yuri Khan
     [not found]             ` <CAP_d_8WjQwAtcWCfkjXHtc-dqYyBfnaP0+9L8KK6eCp4r_ZsPQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2019-03-23 17:50               ` Ineiev
2019-03-24  1:43               ` Richard Stallman
     [not found]           ` <E1h7WOF-0006T8-Be-iW7gFb+/I3LZHJUXO5efmti2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2019-03-23 21:48             ` Juri Linkov
2019-03-24  1:47               ` Richard Stallman
2019-03-22 20:50       ` Chusslove Illich
     [not found]   ` <87h8bx5ijn.fsf-i9wRM+HIrmlRTR8OWt4JRw@public.gmane.org>
2019-03-21  2:55     ` Bruno Haible [this message]
2019-03-21  2:14 ` Richard Stallman
2019-03-22  1:26   ` Bruno Haible
2019-03-23  2:29     ` Richard Stallman
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2021-07-17  9:27 Narendra Joshi
2021-07-17  9:36 ` Thibaut Verron
2021-07-17  9:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-07-17 13:32   ` mrf
2021-07-17 14:01     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-07-17 20:00       ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-07-17 20:57         ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-07-17 22:06           ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2021-07-17 22:55             ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-07-18  2:26               ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2021-07-19  1:53                 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-07-18  6:47               ` Eli Zaretskii
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2021-07-19  1:51             ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-07-19  5:28               ` Thibaut Verron
2021-07-21  5:24                 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-07-21  6:32                   ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-07-21  9:45                     ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-07-21 10:16                       ` Christopher Dimech
2021-07-21 12:08                         ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-07-21 12:36                           ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-07-21  8:28                   ` Christopher Dimech
2021-07-21  8:39                     ` tomas
2021-07-21  9:18                       ` Christopher Dimech
2021-07-21 10:52                         ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-07-21 11:53                           ` Christopher Dimech
2021-07-21 12:56                     ` Jean Louis
2021-07-21 13:23                       ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-07-21 13:39                         ` Thibaut Verron
2021-07-21 14:05                           ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-07-21 14:47                             ` Thibaut Verron
2021-07-21 17:55                               ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-07-21 18:15                                 ` Thibaut Verron
2021-07-21 18:26                                   ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-07-21 18:27                                   ` Christopher Dimech
2021-07-21 18:42                                     ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-07-21 19:06                                       ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-07-21 19:40                                     ` Stefan Monnier via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-07-21 20:49                                       ` Christopher Dimech
2021-07-21 21:44                                         ` Stefan Monnier via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-07-21 21:58                                           ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-07-21 22:55                                             ` Stefan Monnier via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-07-22  7:05                                               ` Christopher Dimech
2021-07-22  8:11                                                 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-07-22  8:16                                                   ` tomas
2021-07-22  9:24                                                   ` Christopher Dimech
2021-07-22  5:49                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-07-22 10:04                                           ` Christopher Dimech
2021-07-21 21:57                                       ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-07-22  7:09                                         ` tomas
2021-07-22  8:17                                           ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-07-22  9:18                                             ` lisa-asket
2021-07-21 14:22                       ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-07-21 17:02                       ` Christopher Dimech
2021-07-21 17:49                         ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-07-19 11:43               ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-07-21  6:11                 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-07-21  7:02                   ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-07-21  8:43                     ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-07-21 10:04                       ` Christopher Dimech
2021-07-21 10:14                         ` tomas
2021-07-21 10:34                         ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-07-21 11:16                           ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-07-21 13:01                       ` Jean Louis
2021-07-21 13:51                         ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-07-22  8:15                         ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-07-22 17:32                       ` Yuri Khan
2021-07-22 18:02                         ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-07-21  7:31                   ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-07-21  7:47                     ` Thibaut Verron
2021-07-21  9:59                       ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-07-21 10:28                         ` Christopher Dimech
2021-07-21 11:49                           ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-07-21 12:44                             ` Christopher Dimech
2021-07-21 13:20                               ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-07-23  6:03           ` Jean Louis
2021-07-23  9:22             ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-07-27 20:52               ` Christopher Dimech
2021-07-17 22:03         ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2021-07-19  1:46           ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-07-18  6:28         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-07-17 20:06   ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-07-17 22:03     ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2021-07-18  6:30     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-02-18  0:35 bug#34520: delete-matching-lines should report how many lines it deleted 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson
2019-02-27 21:36 ` Juri Linkov
2019-02-28  3:34   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-02-28 21:33     ` Juri Linkov
2019-03-01  3:59       ` Richard Stallman
2019-03-02 20:55         ` Juri Linkov
2019-03-03  3:04           ` Richard Stallman
2019-03-03 15:31             ` Emacs i18n (was: bug#34520: delete-matching-lines should report how many lines it deleted) Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-03 20:57               ` Emacs i18n Juri Linkov
2019-03-04  1:46                 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-03-06  9:38                   ` Elias Mårtenson
2019-03-06 11:23                     ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-03-21 20:33                   ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2019-03-21 20:50                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-21 21:03                       ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2019-03-21 21:21                         ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-03-21 21:34                           ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2019-03-21 21:56                             ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-03-21 22:05                               ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2019-03-21 23:46                                 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-03-22  8:22                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-22 16:10                           ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2019-03-22 16:35                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-22 17:16                               ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2019-03-22 17:35                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-22 23:17                                   ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2019-03-21 21:17                     ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-03-21 21:59                     ` Juri Linkov
2019-03-22  8:22                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-23 21:50                         ` Juri Linkov
2019-03-24  3:36                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-24 21:55                             ` Juri Linkov
2019-03-24 23:31                               ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-03-25 21:32                                 ` Juri Linkov
2019-03-25 22:31                                   ` Paul Eggert
2019-03-26 16:11                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-26 16:22                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2019-03-26 16:55                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-26 22:35                                       ` Paul Eggert
2019-03-27  3:43                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-28 14:56                                           ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2019-03-28 15:52                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-27  2:34                                       ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-03-26 23:16                                     ` Juri Linkov
2019-03-27  1:35                                       ` Paul Eggert
2019-04-24  6:39                                       ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-04-24 20:18                                         ` Juri Linkov
2019-03-25  3:35                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-25  9:04                                 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-03-25 21:02                                 ` Juri Linkov
2019-03-26  3:27                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-27 23:06                                     ` Richard Stallman
2019-03-25 10:52                               ` Mattias Engdegård
2019-03-25 15:37                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-25 21:11                                 ` Juri Linkov
2019-03-25 22:05                                   ` Mattias Engdegård
2019-03-27 21:22                                     ` Juri Linkov
2019-03-28 11:03                                       ` Mattias Engdegård
2019-03-04  3:27               ` Emacs i18n (was: bug#34520: delete-matching-lines should report how many lines it deleted) Richard Stallman
2019-03-04 16:36                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-04 18:37                   ` Paul Eggert
2019-03-04 19:07                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-05  2:09                       ` Paul Eggert
2019-03-05 21:58                         ` Emacs i18n Juri Linkov
2019-03-06  2:16                           ` Richard Stallman
2019-03-06 18:15                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-06 19:47                               ` Paul Eggert
2019-03-06 20:19                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-07  1:52                                   ` Paul Eggert
2019-03-07  3:37                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-08  4:07                                       ` Richard Stallman
2019-03-08  8:16                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-08  4:07                                 ` Richard Stallman
2019-03-08  4:33                                   ` Elias Mårtenson
2019-03-08  8:22                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-09  3:11                                     ` Richard Stallman
2019-03-09  7:54                                       ` Paul Eggert
2019-03-09 10:30                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-10  3:05                                         ` Richard Stallman
2019-03-10  6:07                                           ` Paul Eggert
2019-03-11  1:20                                             ` Richard Stallman
2019-03-11  3:52                                               ` Paul Eggert
2019-03-12  3:31                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2019-03-12  3:31                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2019-03-10  8:45                                           ` Yuri Khan
2019-03-10  3:05                                         ` Richard Stallman
2019-03-10  6:14                                           ` Paul Eggert
2019-03-10  3:05                                         ` Richard Stallman
2019-03-07  3:42                               ` Richard Stallman
2019-03-07 14:46                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-07 17:19                                   ` Paul Eggert
2019-03-07 18:24                                     ` martin rudalics
2019-03-07 18:44                                       ` Paul Eggert
2019-03-07 20:22                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-07 22:25                                       ` Paul Eggert
2019-03-08  7:29                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-08  4:18                                       ` Richard Stallman
2019-03-08  4:11                                   ` Richard Stallman
2019-03-06 17:30                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-06 18:09                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-06 19:39                             ` Paul Eggert
2019-03-06 19:49                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-07  1:33                                 ` Paul Eggert
2019-03-07  3:30                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-07 16:06                                     ` Paul Eggert
2019-03-07  4:35                                   ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-03-07 16:04                                     ` Paul Eggert
2019-03-08  4:09                                     ` Richard Stallman
2019-03-11 21:48                                     ` Juri Linkov
2019-03-11 22:51                                       ` Paul Eggert
2019-03-12 21:45                                         ` Juri Linkov
2019-03-17 21:23                                           ` Juri Linkov
2019-03-18 21:20                                             ` Juri Linkov
2019-03-18 21:55                                               ` Paul Eggert
2019-03-19 20:40                                                 ` Juri Linkov
2019-03-11 23:59                                       ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-03-12  9:16                                       ` Michael Albinus
2019-03-06 19:47                             ` Paul Eggert
2019-03-06 20:21                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-07  1:43                                 ` Paul Eggert
2019-03-07  3:31                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-07  3:44                             ` Richard Stallman
2019-03-07 14:48                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-07 22:29                                 ` Juri Linkov
2019-03-08  1:48                                   ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-03-08  8:08                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-08 15:11                                       ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-03-08 20:11                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-09  2:44                                           ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-03-09  6:40                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-09  8:37                                               ` Michael Albinus
2019-03-09 10:45                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-09 11:27                                                   ` Michael Albinus
2019-03-09 17:23                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-09 19:55                                                       ` Paul Eggert
2019-03-09 20:07                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-09 20:47                                                           ` Paul Eggert
2019-03-09 20:04                                                       ` Michael Albinus
2019-03-09 20:14                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-09 19:22                                                     ` Paul Eggert
2019-03-09 19:39                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-09 20:48                                                         ` Paul Eggert
2019-03-09 20:08                                                       ` Michael Albinus
2019-03-10  3:09                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2019-03-10 13:38                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-08  7:37                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-09  3:12                                     ` Richard Stallman
2019-03-08  4:11                                 ` Richard Stallman

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