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From: "T.V Raman" <raman@google.com>
To: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca
Cc: raman@google.com, thibaut.verron@gmail.com, dgutov@yandex.ru,
	emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Opening Up More Keymaps Re: Standardizing more key bindings?
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2020 12:58:03 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <24436.58187.698211.262192@retriever.mtv.corp.google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwvr1qjm4cc.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>


that's an interesting perspective.  Am surprized that you feel tty
users would find C-z z significantly harder than just C-z as the key
to suspend Emacs.


Stefan Monnier writes:
 > > Since keybindings are  a strong emotional issue, I was hoping to
 > > divide and conquer the problem, i.e. first free up a new prefix key,
 > > then experiment  by putting a set of related commands on that key --
 > > rather than chasing our tails with arguments over which key to start with.
 > 
 > I think `C-z` is fair game in GUI but freeing it up for other uses in tty
 > mode will be a very hard sell.  This leaves it as "free for GUI-only
 > bindings" which makes it much less useful than a true "free prefix keymap".
 > 
 > 
 >         Stefan
 > 
 > 
 > > Stefan Monnier writes:
 > >  > > 1. C-z as a prefix --- at present c-z   runs suspend-frame under X, and
 > >  > >    suspends Emacs on the console.
 > >  > 
 > >  > Then again, `C-z` is a standard binding for `undo`.  ;-)
 > >  > 
 > >  > >    Perhaps turn C-z into a new prefix key, and bind the above commands
 > >  > >    to C-z z -- that gives us a whole new keymap to play with for the
 > >  > >    future.
 > >  > 
 > >  > It's true that there's some logic to use C-z, C-x, and C-c for standard
 > >  > prefix keys.  Yet, I think this can only make sense if we have a clear
 > >  > idea of what kinds of bindings we'd put into this prefix.
 > >  > 
 > >  > >    2. F2 is currently taken up by 2c (2column support) and perhaps it's
 > >  > >       time to recover that key, I suspect 2c is not as heavily used to
 > >  > >       justify a common key like F2, and it would still have C-x 6
 > >  > >       dedicated to it if we take F2 away from it.
 > >  > 
 > >  > I agree that the binding of `f2` to `2C-command` can be dropped.
 > >  > Not sure what to bind it to instead, OTOH.
 > >  > 
 > >  > 
 > >  >         Stefan
 > >
 > > -- 
 > > ♉Id: kg:/m/0285kf1  🦮♉

-- 
♉Id: kg:/m/0285kf1  🦮♉

--
♉Id: kg:/m/0285kf1  🦮♉



  reply	other threads:[~2020-09-30 19:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 85+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-09-27  9:31 Standardizing more key bindings? Thibaut Verron
2020-09-27 15:57 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-28  3:44 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-28  4:38   ` Thibaut Verron
2020-09-28  7:39     ` Thibaut Verron
2020-09-29  3:30       ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-29  5:07         ` Thibaut Verron
2020-09-29 10:36           ` Vasilij Schneidermann
2020-10-01  4:09           ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-01  5:20             ` Thibaut Verron
2020-09-29 21:56         ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-11-01  4:27           ` Richard Stallman
2020-11-01  6:56             ` References to "REPL" from past Jean Louis
2020-11-01 13:51             ` Standardizing more key bindings? Stefan Monnier
2020-11-02  5:41               ` Richard Stallman
2020-11-02  6:14                 ` Yuri Khan
2020-11-02  8:08                   ` tomas
2020-11-02  9:50                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-11-02 11:40                     ` Python REPL using standard library functions Yuri Khan
2020-11-02 22:46                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-11-01 21:35             ` Standardizing more key bindings? Dmitry Gutov
2020-11-01 22:27               ` Drew Adams
2020-11-02  5:46               ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-29 21:58 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-30  6:08   ` Thibaut Verron
2020-09-30 16:58     ` Opening Up More Keymaps " T.V Raman
2020-09-30 17:29       ` Thibaut Verron
2020-09-30 18:12         ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-30 18:16       ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-30 18:35         ` T.V Raman
2020-09-30 18:41           ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-30 19:54           ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-30 19:58             ` T.V Raman [this message]
2020-09-30 20:00               ` Noam Postavsky
2020-09-30 20:03                 ` T.V Raman
2020-09-30 21:00                   ` chad
2020-09-30 21:34                     ` T.V Raman
2020-09-30 20:45               ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-30 20:51                 ` T.V Raman
2020-09-30 21:13                 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-30 21:19                   ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-30 21:37                     ` T.V Raman
2020-09-30 21:44                       ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-30 23:07                         ` T.V Raman
2020-10-01  2:35                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-01  3:27                   ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-01 12:38                   ` Ergus
2020-10-01 14:17                     ` Stefan Kangas
2020-10-01 14:45                       ` Caio Henrique
2020-10-02  3:54                       ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-02 10:43                         ` Ergus
2020-10-04 19:34                           ` Juri Linkov
2020-10-02  3:49                   ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-02  6:56                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-02 11:34                       ` Ergus
2020-10-02 12:26                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-04  3:38                       ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-04 10:38                         ` Thibaut Verron
2020-10-04 13:46                           ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-10-04 16:24                             ` Thibaut Verron
2020-10-04 17:00                               ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-10-04 17:32                                 ` Thibaut Verron
2020-10-04 17:46                                   ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-10-05  3:11                                     ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-06  8:59                                       ` Lars Brinkhoff
2020-10-04 17:46                               ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-10-05  3:13                           ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-04 14:10                       ` Howard Melman
2020-10-02  3:45     ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-02  6:26       ` Thibaut Verron
2020-10-04  3:39         ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-04  3:39         ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-02  6:52       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-02 14:00         ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-04  3:38         ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-04  7:16           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-05  3:14             ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-02 13:56       ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-03  2:57         ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-06 12:53 ` Nikolay Kudryavtsev
2020-10-06 13:27   ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-06 14:24     ` Nikolay Kudryavtsev
2020-10-06 14:43       ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-08  9:40         ` Nikolay Kudryavtsev
2020-10-07  4:19   ` Richard Stallman

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