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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:254674 Archived-At: > > (global-set-key [remap undo] 'undo-only) > > (global-set-key (kbd "C-M-_") 'undo-redo) > > > > which I discovered after asking here and fighting with undo tree for > > almost a year. >=20 > the default undo behavior is... exotic. > ... ideally we'd switch to the above key > mappings by default. Why on earth would we do that? Emacs undo is superior. Why would we want to go back to what was available before Emacs undo? Back to 1968... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Undo#History (Why? Oh, I know. It's because other apps are limited that Emacs too should be crippled, at least by default.)