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From: Jens Schmidt <jschmidt4gnu@vodafonemail.de>
To: "Alfred M. Szmidt" <ams@gnu.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Better documentation for non-binding clauses of if-let and friends
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2024 13:24:46 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <23d411e4-5bcb-4a24-a0ff-464a7b51b168@vodafonemail.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1tA6Ms-0004zr-Fo@fencepost.gnu.org>

This turned out to be a discussion orthogonal to the one
on while-let, so I think it deserves its own thread ...

On 2024-11-10  12:44, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote:

> If this is useful or not is one thing, but clearly these macros try to
> be too "smart" and don't follow their own description of what they do
> in either docstring or manual.

I rather agree with Joost on that other thread regarding the
usefulness of the FOO-let macros and their condition-only,
non-binding clauses.

> There is no mention of this in the manual, that only says that SPEC is
> like the one in LET*.

But I agree with you that the manual is incomplete or even
wrong here.

How about the following in section "Conditionals" instead
of what there currently is about these:

  There's a number of variations on this theme, and they're briefly
  described below.

  For all of these SPEC is similar to what let* offers, with a few
  extensions useful in the context of testing conditions: As with
  let*, an element of SPEC which is a list (SYMBOL VALUEFORM) binds
  SYMBOL to the value of VALUEFORM.  An element can additionally be
  of the form (VALUEFORM), which is evaluated and checked for nil;
  i.e. SYMBOL can be omitted if only the test result is of
  interest.  It can also be of the form SYMBOL, then the binding of
  SYMBOL is checked for nil.

   -- Macro: if-let spec then-form else-forms...
       Evaluate each binding in SPEC in turn, stopping if a binding
       value or value form is ‘nil’.  If all are non-‘nil’, return
       the value of THEN-FORM, otherwise the last form in
       ELSE-FORMS.

   -- ...

If needed, I can provide that or something similar as a patch ...




  reply	other threads:[~2024-11-10 12:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-11-08 16:25 Is this a bug in while-let or do I missunderstand it? arthur miller
2024-11-08 19:23 ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-11-09  3:30   ` Sv: " arthur miller
2024-11-09  9:29 ` Yuri Khan
2024-11-09 13:03   ` Sv: " arthur miller
2024-11-09 13:15     ` Yuri Khan
2024-11-09 13:38       ` Sv: " arthur miller
2024-11-09 13:41         ` Yuri Khan
2024-11-09 13:47           ` Sv: " arthur miller
2024-11-09 14:04             ` Yuri Khan
2024-11-09 14:44               ` Sv: " arthur miller
2024-11-09 16:33               ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2024-11-09 16:44                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-09 16:53                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-09 17:33                   ` Andreas Schwab
2024-11-09 18:07                   ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2024-11-09 18:18                     ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2024-11-09 20:02                       ` Jens Schmidt
2024-11-09 20:38                         ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2024-11-09 21:18                           ` Joost Kremers
2024-11-10 11:44                         ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2024-11-10 12:24                           ` Jens Schmidt [this message]
2024-11-10 14:51                             ` Better documentation for non-binding clauses of if-let and friends Sean Whitton
2024-11-10 16:58                               ` Jens Schmidt
2024-11-11 10:03                               ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2024-11-11  8:20                             ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2024-11-09 19:32                     ` Sv: [External] : Re: Is this a bug in while-let or do I missunderstand it? arthur miller
2024-11-09 22:36                       ` Drew Adams
2024-11-09 22:53                         ` Drew Adams
2024-11-14 21:50                   ` John ff
2024-11-09 20:29                 ` Sv: " arthur miller
2024-11-10  6:22                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-10 10:40                     ` Joost Kremers
2024-11-10 12:10                       ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2024-11-10 19:49                         ` Sv: " arthur miller
2024-11-10 18:18                     ` arthur miller
2024-11-11  5:13                       ` Yuri Khan
2024-11-11  8:49                         ` Sv: " arthur miller
2024-11-11 12:23                           ` tomas
2024-11-11 22:41                     ` Joost Kremers
2024-11-12 12:19                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-12 12:45                         ` Joost Kremers
2024-11-12 14:34                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-12 15:32                             ` Joost Kremers
2024-11-12 23:45                         ` Joost Kremers
2024-11-13  9:45                           ` Sean Whitton
2024-11-13  9:56                             ` Sean Whitton
2024-11-13 11:00                               ` Joost Kremers
2024-11-13 12:17                                 ` Sean Whitton
2024-11-14  7:55                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-14  8:21                                   ` Joost Kremers
2024-11-14 21:51                               ` John ff
2024-11-14 21:52                                 ` John ff
2024-11-09 21:47             ` Sv: " Joost Kremers
2024-11-09 22:07               ` Sv: " arthur miller
2024-11-10  6:07               ` Andreas Schwab
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2024-11-11  9:28 Better documentation for non-binding clauses of if-let and friends arthur miller
2024-11-11  9:58 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2024-11-11 10:26   ` Joost Kremers

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