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Wed, 19 Apr 2023 13:23:07 -0400 (EDT) Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <83zg737szu.fsf@gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:260284 Archived-At: On 19/04/2023 19:10, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> To answer the original question: N weeks still haven't passed (I guess) >> since 1.15 was tagged, so we don't quite know whether it's acceptable >> for emacs-29. > That is fine with me, assuming N has some reasonable value. It means > I could ask you again before the next pretest, and then again before > RC, and perhaps you'd then agree to import a newer Eglot. More or less. > But note that this is not what João is saying. He says 1.14 will not > be in Emacs 29.1, period. No matter how long I will drag the pretest. > He certainly doesn't want to invest the effort of making Eglot 1.14 > less dependent on latest changes in other packages, so as to make sure > we could drop Eglot 1.14 into Emacs 29 without risking any problems > elsewhere. And that more or less seals the issue, effectively setting > your N to infinity. I think you're simply talking past each other, and will essentially agree on that "N weeks" thing outside of this discussion. But also note that you added a complication: avoid bumping the required dependencies. If the backport is not performed as-is and needs additional changes (with extra shims, stubbed new features, etc, instead of simply using new features from the latest eldoc.el), then you are not just asking whether the maintainer thinks the new version is good and stable, but also whether they are willing to expend extra effort altering it and maintaining diverging versions of code.