From: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org, Gregory Heytings <ghe@sdf.org>
Subject: Re: Opaque objects and Emacs documentation
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 22:22:52 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <2374efeb-9ed8-1a7f-d508-fbafc726aa18@yandex.ru> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.NEB.2.21.2007171610590394.12830@sdf.lonestar.org>
On 17.07.2020 17:26, Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
wrote:
> Of course I did. But as it happens, this difference does not exist in
> Emacs. Remember that one of the direct inspirations of Emacs were Lisp
> machines, in which the user can read and modify almost every piece of
> code on the fly, from the lowest to the highest level. In such a
> system, there can be no difference between "internal" and "external"
> documentation.
Why not?
Given that Lisp allows one to expect any value, and jump to any
implementation, and debug any function, I would say that actually
_lowers_ the need to document things, in general, not the other way
around, like in environments which you can't inspect and thus have to
rely solely on documentation.
As for internal vs external difference, I believe it's still here, as
with any programming language. The latter should be much shorter. There
is no need to dump all internal details on somebody who just wants to
use a library. It's simply counter-productive.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-07-17 19:22 UTC|newest]
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2020-07-12 20:07 ` master 0339325: ; * lisp/progmodes/project.el (project-current): Doc fix Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-13 3:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-07-13 11:09 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-13 13:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-07-13 14:14 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-16 22:40 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-17 6:56 ` Opaque objects and Emacs documentation Eli Zaretskii
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2020-07-17 10:40 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-17 15:38 ` tomas
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2020-07-17 10:46 ` Dmitry Gutov
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2020-07-17 10:53 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-17 11:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-07-17 12:02 ` Noam Postavsky
2020-07-17 12:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-07-17 13:09 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-17 13:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-07-17 14:35 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-17 14:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-07-17 15:03 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-18 1:54 ` Richard Stallman
2020-07-18 19:17 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-19 2:27 ` Richard Stallman
2020-07-19 14:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-07-21 19:00 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-21 19:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-07-21 20:56 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-21 21:06 ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-07-21 20:49 ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-07-21 20:59 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-21 21:20 ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-07-21 21:25 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-21 19:08 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-21 19:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-07-21 21:02 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-21 20:29 ` John Yates
2020-07-22 0:45 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-22 14:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-07-19 22:02 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-20 2:44 ` Richard Stallman
2020-07-21 1:09 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-21 8:57 ` tomas
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2020-07-21 10:29 ` tomas
2020-07-21 14:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-07-21 18:56 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-21 19:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-07-21 21:31 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-22 14:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2020-07-22 16:37 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-21 19:36 ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-07-21 21:17 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-21 22:12 ` Edebug (was: Opaque objects and Emacs documentation) Stefan Monnier
2020-07-22 14:31 ` Opaque objects and Emacs documentation Eli Zaretskii
2020-07-22 15:33 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-22 16:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-07-22 16:26 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-23 4:04 ` Richard Stallman
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2020-07-22 11:43 ` João Távora
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2020-07-17 19:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-07-17 19:26 ` Dmitry Gutov
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2020-07-17 11:53 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
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2020-07-18 0:00 ` Yuan Fu
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2020-07-23 23:24 ` Andy Moreton
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2020-07-24 0:43 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-24 1:22 ` Andy Moreton
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2020-07-25 16:33 ` Andy Moreton
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2020-07-25 20:18 ` Andy Moreton
2020-07-26 2:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-07-26 9:16 ` Andy Moreton
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2020-07-24 20:49 ` Dmitry Gutov
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