From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Paul Eggert Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: CHECK_STRUCTS/dmpstruct.h mechanism is broken. Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2019 15:44:33 -0700 Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department Message-ID: <235a7acf-866c-d9af-6762-dbed24ffa383@cs.ucla.edu> References: <20190228202146.GC4686@ACM> <20190228205955.GD4686@ACM> <20190410162203.GA4009@ACM> <9809d5ce-c1c4-48e9-6dac-489431b34067@cs.ucla.edu> <671ba8dd-894b-5698-d162-8901b1098b9a@cs.ucla.edu> <87v9zkqptq.fsf@Rainer.invalid> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="215198"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.6.1 Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Achim Gratz Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Apr 12 00:45:28 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hEiRk-000tr3-JS for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 12 Apr 2019 00:45:28 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55893 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hEiRj-0004As-Jw for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 11 Apr 2019 18:45:27 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:41462) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hEiR5-0004An-0g for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Apr 2019 18:44:47 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hEiQz-0000fM-CD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Apr 2019 18:44:45 -0400 Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.128.68]:56568) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hEiQx-0000d5-MR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Apr 2019 18:44:41 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F93F1616AE; Thu, 11 Apr 2019 15:44:35 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id D_b-U8PSd-9U; Thu, 11 Apr 2019 15:44:34 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A3BF1616BB; Thu, 11 Apr 2019 15:44:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at zimbra.cs.ucla.edu Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id 6_i0NPiP_Q7K; Thu, 11 Apr 2019 15:44:34 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from Penguin.CS.UCLA.EDU (Penguin.CS.UCLA.EDU [131.179.64.200]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 46F2E161367; Thu, 11 Apr 2019 15:44:34 -0700 (PDT) Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Autocrypt: addr=eggert@cs.ucla.edu; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= xsFNBEyAcmQBEADAAyH2xoTu7ppG5D3a8FMZEon74dCvc4+q1XA2J2tBy2pwaTqfhpxxdGA9 Jj50UJ3PD4bSUEgN8tLZ0san47l5XTAFLi2456ciSl5m8sKaHlGdt9XmAAtmXqeZVIYX/UFS 96fDzf4xhEmm/y7LbYEPQdUdxu47xA5KhTYp5bltF3WYDz1Ygd7gx07Auwp7iw7eNvnoDTAl KAl8KYDZzbDNCQGEbpY3efZIvPdeI+FWQN4W+kghy+P6au6PrIIhYraeua7XDdb2LS1en3Ss mE3QjqfRqI/A2ue8JMwsvXe/WK38Ezs6x74iTaqI3AFH6ilAhDqpMnd/msSESNFt76DiO1ZK QMr9amVPknjfPmJISqdhgB1DlEdw34sROf6V8mZw0xfqT6PKE46LcFefzs0kbg4GORf8vjG2 Sf1tk5eU8MBiyN/bZ03bKNjNYMpODDQQwuP84kYLkX2wBxxMAhBxwbDVZudzxDZJ1C2VXujC OJVxq2kljBM9ETYuUGqd75AW2LXrLw6+MuIsHFAYAgRr7+KcwDgBAfwhPBYX34nSSiHlmLC+ KaHLeCLF5ZI2vKm3HEeCTtlOg7xZEONgwzL+fdKo+D6SoC8RRxJKs8a3sVfI4t6CnrQzvJbB n6gxdgCu5i29J1QCYrCYvql2UyFPAK+do99/1jOXT4m2836j1wARAQABzSBQYXVsIEVnZ2Vy dCA8ZWdnZXJ0QGNzLnVjbGEuZWR1PsLBfgQTAQIAKAUCTIByZAIbAwUJEswDAAYLCQgHAwIG FQgCCQoLBBYCAwECH In-Reply-To: <87v9zkqptq.fsf@Rainer.invalid> Content-Language: en-US X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 131.179.128.68 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:235316 Archived-At: On 4/11/19 12:55 PM, Achim Gratz wrote: > Yes, it has no autoconf, but > that's been replaced with the configure step from waf, which has exactly > one person you can ask if something doesn't work the way you think it > should. Yes, I considered waf too (coincidentally I was just talking to a student today about waf for one of his projects!). However, I don't think waf would be as good a match for Emacs, as it brings in more dependencies (Python, bzip2) and it's not yet clear that waf will be a stable-enough build tool for Emacs in the long run. In contrast, if we simply use GNU Make we are reducing dependencies (by removing dependencies on autoconf/automake/m4) and we know GNU Make will be there in the long haul.