From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: covici@ccs.covici.com Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Casting as wide a net as possible Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2015 14:54:50 -0500 Message-ID: <23365.1449777290@ccs.covici.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1449777312 7702 80.91.229.3 (10 Dec 2015 19:55:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2015 19:55:12 +0000 (UTC) To: Drew Adams , John Yates , Emacs developers Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Dec 10 20:55:05 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1a77Is-0006sL-R6 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2015 20:55:02 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44163 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a77Is-000752-8C for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2015 14:55:02 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:60077) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a77Io-00074I-Ad for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2015 14:54:59 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a77Ik-00061q-W2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2015 14:54:58 -0500 Original-Received: from mail0131.smtp25.com ([75.126.84.131]:48667) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a77Ik-00061h-Pj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2015 14:54:54 -0500 Original-Received: from ccs.covici.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ccs.covici.com (8.14.9/8.14.8) with ESMTP id tBAJsoHP023366; Thu, 10 Dec 2015 14:54:50 -0500 Mail-Followup-To: Drew Adams , John Yates , Emacs developers In-reply-to: Comments: In-reply-to John Wiegley message dated "Thu, 10 Dec 2015 11:02:06 -0800." X-Mailer: MH-E 8.5; nmh 1.6; GNU Emacs 23.4.1 Content-ID: <23364.1449777290.1@ccs.covici.com> X-SpamH-OriginatingIP: 70.109.53.110 X-SpamH-Filter: d-out-001.smtp25.com-tBAJsoKg023841 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 75.126.84.131 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:196053 Archived-At: hmmm, I might disagree about the debugger -- one problem when I have tried to use it, is that apparently it has problems interpreting compiled code -- I am not sure if it should, but it makes it hard to use. I am not sure how well documented it is, seemed pretty sparse to me. I am glad I have not had to use it too much, emacs has done well for me for many years. John Wiegley wrote: > >>>>> Drew Adams writes: > = > > My only point is that Lisp features really do make Emacs what it is. T= o > > point out what Emacs is necessarily means pointing out some of those > > features (IMO). > = > I agree. The things that make Emacs great: > = > 1. Highly consistent syntax. > 2. Self-documenting. > 3. Integrated debugger. > 4. Ability to re-evaluate functions in a running environment. > (i.e., everything that made Lisp Machines great) > 5. Natural syntax for scoping resources (`with-temp-buffer ...') > 6. Large and well documented API > 7. Stable and mature concepts evolved over decades > 8. Huge, HUGE community of cargo-cultable examples, for those just lea= rning > = > -- = > John Wiegley GPG fingerprint =3D 4710 CF98 AF9B 327B B8= 0F > http://newartisans.com 60E1 46C4 BD1A 7AC1 4BA2 -- = Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici covici@ccs.covici.com