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From: "Drew Adams" <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: "'Lennart Borgman'" <lennart.borgman@gmail.com>
Cc: 'Stefan Monnier' <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>,
	'PJ Weisberg' <pj@irregularexpressions.net>,
	'Emacs-Devel devel' <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: RE: Bikeshedding go! Why is <M-f4> unbound?
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 17:40:51 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <227F94B0AC1649C1A41082A249921783@us.oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinJKB0vfyht1N+DNTOVS+fnMBXVk3AKDXbJA0zv@mail.gmail.com>

> >> >> It sounds like the 'correct' thing to do is is to call
> >> >> let_Windows_process_it() whenever any "<foo-key> is
> >> >> undefined" message is reported.
> >> >
> >> > Yes, that's another way to attack the problem.  And it
> >> > would make sense.
> >>
> >> I like this idea. It is platform independent and at the 
> >> same time it confirms to different platforms.
> >
> > Doesn't sound like a good idea.  Lisp code should be able 
> > to check whether a given key is bound and do something if
> > not (e.g. condition-case check for unbound error).
> 
> A good point. However the possibility to check whether a key is
> unbound in Emacs will not be affected.

Really?  Good, in that case.  I was under the impression that simply hitting the
key would mean that Windows grabs it.  In the example given by PJW the key was
pressed, raising the unbound error (now) or passing to Windows (proposed).
Testing after the key is pressed is different from just testing using `boundp'.

Admittedly, it is not everyday that code wants to handle an unbound key when it
is pressed.  Of course, that's exactly the case of the proposal...  What we
would be doing in effect is reserving that possibility for Window/Gnome/KDE to
handle Alt-f4, hardcoding it instead of letting anyone code it for any purpose.
But I do recognize that this is not a big use case.

I still prefer Stefan's proposal of `w32-passthrough-events': let users (or
libraries, for that matter) configure the behavior.

Better still would be to (a) let users bind `M-f4' in Emacs, but if unbound (b)
look it up in `w32-passthrough-events' and if there pass it to Windows, or if
not there (c) raise an unbound error.




  reply	other threads:[~2011-01-17  1:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 121+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-01-05 14:48 Bikeshedding go! Why is <M-f4> unbound? Deniz Dogan
2011-01-05 15:29 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-01-05 17:11   ` Deniz Dogan
2011-01-05 17:30     ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-01-05 17:36       ` Deniz Dogan
2011-01-05 18:15         ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-01-09 22:00           ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-10  1:01             ` Drew Adams
2011-01-10  1:46               ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-10  3:01                 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-10  3:08                   ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-12 13:53               ` Stuart Hacking
2011-01-12 15:01                 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-12 15:54                   ` Deniz Dogan
2011-01-12 17:17                     ` Drew Adams
2011-01-12 20:29                       ` Chad Brown
2011-01-12 20:32                     ` Stefan Monnier
2011-01-12 20:42                       ` Deniz Dogan
2011-01-13  2:42                         ` Stefan Monnier
2011-01-13  3:13                           ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-13  3:59                           ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-01-13  4:15                             ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-13 13:13                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-01-13 16:57                             ` Stefan Monnier
2011-01-13 18:05                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-01-13 21:15                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-01-13 22:00                                   ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-14  0:12                                     ` Jason Rumney
2011-01-14  0:21                                       ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-14  5:02                                         ` Jason Rumney
2011-01-14  8:28                                           ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-13 22:18                               ` Drew Adams
2011-01-13 22:30                                 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-13 22:47                                   ` Drew Adams
2011-01-13 23:04                                     ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-01-13 23:14                                     ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-14  9:25                                     ` Giorgos Keramidas
2011-01-14  9:43                                       ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-13 22:53                                 ` Stuart Hacking
2011-01-13 23:10                                   ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-14  0:13                                 ` Jason Rumney
2011-01-14  1:35                                   ` Drew Adams
2011-01-14  5:08                                     ` Jason Rumney
2011-01-14 10:49                             ` PJ Weisberg
2011-01-14 15:21                               ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-14 15:48                               ` Stefan Monnier
2011-01-15  0:07                                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-01-15 11:41                                 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-16 21:49                                   ` Drew Adams
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2011-01-16 23:53                                     ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-17  1:40                                       ` Drew Adams [this message]
2011-01-17  1:52                                         ` Drew Adams
2011-01-17  8:32                                         ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-17 18:22                                           ` Drew Adams
2011-01-17 18:36                                             ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-17 19:02                                               ` Drew Adams
2011-01-17 19:27                                                 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-18  3:20                                                 ` Bikeshedding "user choice" Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-01-18  5:29                                                   ` Drew Adams
2011-01-18  6:11                                                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-01-18 17:45                                                       ` Drew Adams
2011-01-19  4:59                                                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-01-19 19:34                                                           ` Drew Adams
2011-01-18  8:06                                                 ` Bikeshedding go! Why is <M-f4> unbound? jasonr
2011-01-17 19:27                                             ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-01-17 20:24                                               ` Drew Adams
2011-01-17  2:27                                     ` Jason Rumney
2011-01-17 18:21                                       ` Drew Adams
2011-01-16 21:49                                 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-14 17:58                               ` Drew Adams
2011-01-14 20:27                                 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-14 22:24                                   ` Drew Adams
     [not found]                                     ` <D727BC7268A24AF7B9544FD4E0B74E11@us! .oracle.com>
2011-01-14 22:43                                     ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-16 21:49                                       ` Drew Adams
2011-01-16 23:49                                         ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-17  0:33                                           ` Philipp Haselwarter
2011-01-17  1:41                                             ` Drew Adams
2011-01-17  1:45                                           ` Drew Adams
2011-01-17  8:29                                             ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-17  8:47                                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-01-17  9:23                                                 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-17 18:22                                                 ` Drew Adams
2011-01-17 18:22                                               ` Drew Adams
2011-01-15  2:38                                 ` PJ Weisberg
2011-01-16 21:49                                   ` Drew Adams
2011-01-10 10:15             ` Dimitri Fontaine
2011-01-05 15:31 ` Christopher Allan Webber
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2011-01-14  1:20 grischka
2011-01-17 12:06 grischka
2011-01-17 12:23 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-17 14:37 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-01-17 16:56   ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-18  3:03 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-01-18  9:11   ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-18 12:10   ` grischka
2011-01-17 20:31 Drew Adams
2011-01-17 20:53 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-17 21:56   ` Drew Adams
2011-01-17 22:23     ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-17 23:17       ` Drew Adams
2011-01-17 23:58         ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-18  0:36           ` Drew Adams
2011-01-18  0:47             ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-18  1:20               ` Drew Adams
2011-01-18  1:38                 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-18  3:14                   ` Drew Adams
2011-01-18  4:06                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-01-18  9:36 grischka
2011-01-18 12:58 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-01-18 13:15   ` grischka
2011-01-18 13:27     ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-01-18 17:20       ` Drew Adams
2011-01-19 10:08         ` Stuart Hacking
2011-01-19 19:37           ` Drew Adams
2011-01-20  1:00             ` PJ Weisberg
2011-01-20 17:12               ` Drew Adams
2011-01-20 20:10                 ` PJ Weisberg
2011-01-18 13:33     ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-18 13:51       ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-01-18 17:40         ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-18 17:52           ` Óscar Fuentes

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