* bug#24554: 24.5; kill-ring-save fails to give visual feedback on first run, but does on the second
@ 2016-09-27 12:00 Daniel Barrett
2016-09-27 12:33 ` npostavs
0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread
From: Daniel Barrett @ 2016-09-27 12:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 24554; +Cc: dbarrett
When you run emacs in its own X window, the kill-ring-save command
fails to give visual feedback of the point and mark, but ONLY THE
FIRST TIME you run it on a region. This inconsistency is confusing
and makes the user think that he mistyped the command. Subsequent runs
of kill-ring-save work properly.
1. Run "emacs -Q --debug-init" so emacs opens in its own window. In
the scratch buffer, type any line of text.
2. Position the point at the beginning of the line you typed,
and set the mark (set-mark-command).
3. Move the point to the end of the line and press M-w (kill-ring-save).
4. Notice that the cursor does NOT provide visual feedback by "blinking"
the point and mark. THIS IS THE BUG.
5. Now type M-w (kill-ring-save) a second time. This time, the cursor
DOES blink the point and mark to provide visual feedback. This remains
true for all subsequent runs of kill-ring-save on this region, until you
move point or mark.
Possible important detail: The problem behavior is different if you add
the "-nw" option when running emacs (say, within KDE's Konsole). In this
case, the region formed in step 3 gets HIGHLIGHTED in reverse-video when
you move the cursor to end of line, which provides visual feedback of a
different kind. The first kill-ring-save makes the highlighting
disappear. When emacs is run in its own window -nw, the region does not
appear highlighted. Perhaps in this case, emacs "thinks" the
highlighting is present and therefore doesn't bother to "blink" the
point and mark.
This is in the stock emacs 24.5 package distributed with Ubuntu 16.04
LTS (Xenial). The problem did not occur in the previous version of
Ubuntu (15.10).
In GNU Emacs 24.5.1 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.18.9)
of 2016-04-17 on lgw01-04, modified by Debian
Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.11803000
System Description: Ubuntu 16.04.1 LTS
Configured using:
`configure --build x86_64-linux-gnu --prefix=/usr
--sharedstatedir=/var/lib --libexecdir=/usr/lib
--localstatedir=/var/lib --infodir=/usr/share/info
--mandir=/usr/share/man --with-pop=yes
--enable-locallisppath=/etc/emacs24:/etc/emacs:/usr/local/share/emacs/24.5/site-lisp:/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/24.5/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp
--build x86_64-linux-gnu --prefix=/usr --sharedstatedir=/var/lib
--libexecdir=/usr/lib --localstatedir=/var/lib
--infodir=/usr/share/info --mandir=/usr/share/man --with-pop=yes
--enable-locallisppath=/etc/emacs24:/etc/emacs:/usr/local/share/emacs/24.5/site-lisp:/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/24.5/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp
--with-x=yes --with-x-toolkit=gtk3 --with-toolkit-scroll-bars
'CFLAGS=-g -O2 -fstack-protector-strong -Wformat
-Werror=format-security -Wall' 'CPPFLAGS=-Wdate-time
-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2' 'LDFLAGS=-Wl,-Bsymbolic-functions -Wl,-z,relro''
Important settings:
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Major mode: Lisp Interaction
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auto-encryption-mode: t
auto-compression-mode: t
line-number-mode: t
transient-mark-mode: t
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* bug#24554: 24.5; kill-ring-save fails to give visual feedback on first run, but does on the second
2016-09-27 12:00 bug#24554: 24.5; kill-ring-save fails to give visual feedback on first run, but does on the second Daniel Barrett
@ 2016-09-27 12:33 ` npostavs
2016-09-27 12:39 ` Daniel Barrett
0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread
From: npostavs @ 2016-09-27 12:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Daniel Barrett; +Cc: 24554
Daniel Barrett <dbarrett@blazemonger.com> writes:
> Possible important detail: The problem behavior is different if you add
> the "-nw" option when running emacs (say, within KDE's Konsole). In this
> case, the region formed in step 3 gets HIGHLIGHTED in reverse-video when
> you move the cursor to end of line, which provides visual feedback of a
> different kind. The first kill-ring-save makes the highlighting
> disappear. When emacs is run in its own window -nw, the region does not
> appear highlighted.
>
Are you saying that region highlighting doesn't work in Emacs 24.5 in
graphical mode?
>
> Perhaps in this case, emacs "thinks" the
> highlighting is present and therefore doesn't bother to "blink" the
> point and mark.
>
> This is in the stock emacs 24.5 package distributed with Ubuntu 16.04
> LTS (Xenial). The problem did not occur in the previous version of
> Ubuntu (15.10).
>
>
>
>
> In GNU Emacs 24.5.1 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.18.9)
> of 2016-04-17 on lgw01-04, modified by Debian
> Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.11803000
> System Description: Ubuntu 16.04.1 LTS
>
> Configured using:
> `configure --build x86_64-linux-gnu --prefix=/usr
> --sharedstatedir=/var/lib --libexecdir=/usr/lib
> --localstatedir=/var/lib --infodir=/usr/share/info
> --mandir=/usr/share/man --with-pop=yes
> --enable-locallisppath=/etc/emacs24:/etc/emacs:/usr/local/share/emacs/24.5/site-lisp:/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/24.5/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp
> --build x86_64-linux-gnu --prefix=/usr --sharedstatedir=/var/lib
> --libexecdir=/usr/lib --localstatedir=/var/lib
> --infodir=/usr/share/info --mandir=/usr/share/man --with-pop=yes
> --enable-locallisppath=/etc/emacs24:/etc/emacs:/usr/local/share/emacs/24.5/site-lisp:/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/24.5/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp
> --with-x=yes --with-x-toolkit=gtk3 --with-toolkit-scroll-bars
> 'CFLAGS=-g -O2 -fstack-protector-strong -Wformat
> -Werror=format-security -Wall' 'CPPFLAGS=-Wdate-time
> -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2' 'LDFLAGS=-Wl,-Bsymbolic-functions -Wl,-z,relro''
>
> Important settings:
> value of $LC_COLLATE: C
> value of $LANG: en_US.UTF-8
> locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix
>
> Major mode: Lisp Interaction
>
> Minor modes in effect:
> tooltip-mode: t
> electric-indent-mode: t
> mouse-wheel-mode: t
> file-name-shadow-mode: t
> global-font-lock-mode: t
> font-lock-mode: t
> blink-cursor-mode: t
> auto-composition-mode: t
> auto-encryption-mode: t
> auto-compression-mode: t
> line-number-mode: t
> transient-mark-mode: t
>
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* bug#24554: 24.5; kill-ring-save fails to give visual feedback on first run, but does on the second
2016-09-27 12:33 ` npostavs
@ 2016-09-27 12:39 ` Daniel Barrett
2016-09-27 14:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread
From: Daniel Barrett @ 2016-09-27 12:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: npostavs; +Cc: Daniel Barrett, 24554
On September 27, 2016, npostavs@users.sourceforge.net wrote:
>Are you saying that region highlighting doesn't work in Emacs 24.5 in
>graphical mode?
Correct. (And in addition, kill-ring-save doesn't blink the point and mark
on the first try, but it does on the second, third, etc.)
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* bug#24554: 24.5; kill-ring-save fails to give visual feedback on first run, but does on the second
2016-09-27 12:39 ` Daniel Barrett
@ 2016-09-27 14:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-09-27 16:05 ` Daniel Barrett
0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2016-09-27 14:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Daniel Barrett; +Cc: npostavs, 24554
> Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 08:39:09 -0400
> From: Daniel Barrett <dbarrett@blazemonger.com>
> Cc: Daniel Barrett <dbarrett@blazemonger.com>, 24554@debbugs.gnu.org
>
> On September 27, 2016, npostavs@users.sourceforge.net wrote:
> >Are you saying that region highlighting doesn't work in Emacs 24.5 in
> >graphical mode?
>
> Correct.
In that case, I cannot reproduce it here. Region highlighting does
work for me in both text and GUI mode.
> (And in addition, kill-ring-save doesn't blink the point and mark
> on the first try, but it does on the second, third, etc.)
It doesn't blink on the first try because the region is highlighted,
as far as Emacs is concerned. So the fact you don't see the highlight
is the only problem in this case, and that problem is specific to your
system, somehow.
If you invoke "emacs -Q" n GUI mode and then type
M-x list-faces-display RET
does the 'region' face has a distinct background color?
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* bug#24554: 24.5; kill-ring-save fails to give visual feedback on first run, but does on the second
2016-09-27 14:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2016-09-27 16:05 ` Daniel Barrett
2016-09-27 16:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-09-27 22:33 ` Daniel Barrett
0 siblings, 2 replies; 10+ messages in thread
From: Daniel Barrett @ 2016-09-27 16:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: eliz; +Cc: Daniel Barrett, npostavs, 24554
On September 27, 2016, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>In that case, I cannot reproduce it here. Region highlighting does
>work for me in both text and GUI mode.
Interesting. Are you using Ubuntu 16.04 with KDE/Plasma as the GUI?
>If you invoke "emacs -Q" n GUI mode and then type
> M-x list-faces-display RET
>does the 'region' face has a distinct background color?
Cool command, didn't know about it! I will try this as soon as I am in
front of the console again.
--
Dan Barrett
dbarrett@blazemonger.com
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* bug#24554: 24.5; kill-ring-save fails to give visual feedback on first run, but does on the second
2016-09-27 16:05 ` Daniel Barrett
@ 2016-09-27 16:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-09-27 22:33 ` Daniel Barrett
1 sibling, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2016-09-27 16:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Daniel Barrett; +Cc: dbarrett, npostavs, 24554
> Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 12:05:55 -0400
> Cc: dbarrett@blazemonger.com,
> npostavs@users.sourceforge.net,
> 24554@debbugs.gnu.org, Daniel Barrett <dbarrett@blazemonger.com>
> From: Daniel Barrett <dbarrett@blazemonger.com>
>
> On September 27, 2016, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> >In that case, I cannot reproduce it here. Region highlighting does
> >work for me in both text and GUI mode.
>
> Interesting. Are you using Ubuntu 16.04 with KDE/Plasma as the GUI?
No.
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* bug#24554: 24.5; kill-ring-save fails to give visual feedback on first run, but does on the second
2016-09-27 16:05 ` Daniel Barrett
2016-09-27 16:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2016-09-27 22:33 ` Daniel Barrett
2016-09-28 14:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
1 sibling, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread
From: Daniel Barrett @ 2016-09-27 22:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: eliz; +Cc: Daniel Barrett, npostavs, 24554
On September 27, 2016, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>If you invoke "emacs -Q" n GUI mode and then type
> M-x list-faces-display RET
>does the 'region' face has a distinct background color?
Holy crap, this revealed the problem. The "region" background color is
identical to the Emacs window's background color. So the region color
is not visible. Thank you for providing the clue to solve the mystery.
So, I can use "set-face-background" to fix the issue for myself. Now
to track it down in Ubuntu. It appears to be related to X resources,
because the problem occurs when I run:
$ emacs -q --no-site-file --no-splash
but not when I run:
$ emacs -Q
(and -Q skips processing of X resources, according to the emacs
manpage). Sure enough, the resource named "*background" has value
#eff0f1 (according to the "appres" Linux command), which is also the
region color.
So... any idea where I might find where these resources are set? I
don't have an .Xdefaults or .Xresources file in my home directory. I'd
like to track it down and file an Ubuntu bug report if necessary.
--
Dan Barrett
dbarrett@blazemonger.com
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* bug#24554: 24.5; kill-ring-save fails to give visual feedback on first run, but does on the second
2016-09-27 22:33 ` Daniel Barrett
@ 2016-09-28 14:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-09-28 22:41 ` Daniel Barrett
0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2016-09-28 14:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Daniel Barrett; +Cc: npostavs, 24554
> Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 18:33:59 -0400
> Cc: npostavs@users.sourceforge.net,
> 24554@debbugs.gnu.org, Daniel Barrett <dbarrett@blazemonger.com>
> From: Daniel Barrett <dbarrett@blazemonger.com>
>
> So... any idea where I might find where these resources are set? I
> don't have an .Xdefaults or .Xresources file in my home directory.
AFAIR, it could be in any number of places, because the X startup
scripts could source any file Ubuntu wants them to. The classical
places are as below:
. /usr/lib/X11/app-defaults
. files in the directory pointed to by the XAPPLRESDIR environment
variable
. a file in your home directory named literally "Emacs"
. explicit arguments to xrdb invocation when the X session starts
. a file pointed to by the XENVIRONMENT environment variable
Also look inside the file .xinitrc, if you have it, and in
/etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc, for possible clues.
Once again, Ubuntu could (and probably did) hack the heck out of this
stuff by providing their own resources somewhere and arranging for the
X session to source them at startup. That's Ubuntu-specific, so I
have no idea, as I don't use that system actively. Various Google
hits seem to indicate that the /etc/X11/Xsession.d directory might
hold at least some of the relevant stuff. The Xsession man page might
help.
> I'd like to track it down and file an Ubuntu bug report if
> necessary.
That is probably a good idea anyway.
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