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From: Ken Raeburn <raeburn@raeburn.org>
To: "emacs-devel@gnu.org discussions" <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Concurrency
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 12:33:58 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <224F559B-6F4F-4EFB-855C-B35C7DA24731@raeburn.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m3y6hb2l68.fsf@fleche.redhat.com>

On Mar 29, 2010, at 11:37, Tom Tromey wrote:
> I think it would be better to have all mutexes be recursive, because it
> is safer.

I can see some desire for recursive mutexes, but I lean towards Butenhof's view myself.  If all mutexes are recursive, I'd like a way to find out if I've already got a mutex locked, so I can manually detect when I've screwed up my locking model, even if someone else wants to use recursive mutexes in their code.

BTW, one extension I'd suggest is an optional timeout for mutex-lock: nil would mean block until the lock is acquired, a positive number would mean wait up to that long (e.g., pthread_mutex_timedlock), and a non-positive number would mean try to acquire the lock but don't wait.  I'm not sure offhand if failure to acquire the lock should be indicated by throwing an error or a return value; I'm leaning a little towards throwing an error.

If this really catches on, read/write locks will probably be wanted too, but they can be built on mutexes and condition variables initially, and moved into C code later if they're really helpful and performance-critical.

For debugging, I think I'd want a way to check whether a particular thread has locked a mutex.  Not a predicate someone might be tempted to use for non-debugging purposes, more like an assertion that throws an error when false.

> Also, I think mutex-unlock should throw some kind of error if the mutex
> is owned by a different thread.  What do you think of that?

Probably the best thing -- and likewise if the mutex isn't locked at all.

Ken



  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-03-29 16:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 111+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-01-28  0:19 redisplay system of emacs alin.s
2010-01-28  4:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-28  9:07   ` Lennart Borgman
2010-01-28 11:27     ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-28 11:47       ` Lennart Borgman
2010-01-28 12:43         ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-28 12:53           ` Lennart Borgman
2010-01-28 14:10             ` Miles Bader
2010-01-28 15:04               ` alin.s
2010-01-28 22:34               ` Lennart Borgman
2010-01-29 10:04               ` Paul R
2010-01-29 10:17                 ` David Kastrup
2010-01-29 10:23                   ` Lennart Borgman
2010-01-29 10:30                     ` David Kastrup
2010-01-29 13:18                       ` Lennart Borgman
2010-01-29 11:03                     ` Miles Bader
2010-01-29 11:38                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-29 15:10                         ` Miles Bader
2010-01-29 17:30                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-29 10:48                   ` Paul R
2010-01-29 11:01                     ` David Kastrup
2010-01-29 18:19                   ` Stefan Monnier
2010-01-29 11:35                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-29 13:06                   ` Paul R
2010-01-29 13:10                     ` David Kastrup
2010-01-29 13:45                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-29 15:28                     ` Chong Yidong
2010-01-29 18:35                     ` Stefan Monnier
2010-01-29 18:56                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-01-30 11:46                         ` Richard Stallman
2010-01-30 12:51                           ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-01-30 15:39                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-30 19:21                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-01-30 21:31                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-31  9:32                               ` David Kastrup
2010-01-31 12:41                             ` Richard Stallman
2010-01-29 19:53                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-01-30 18:04                         ` Stefan Monnier
2010-01-30 18:39                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-01-30 10:34                       ` Fabian Ezequiel Gallina
2010-01-30 10:52                         ` David Kastrup
2010-01-30 21:18                         ` Stefan Monnier
2010-01-29 13:07                   ` David Kastrup
2010-01-28  5:10 ` Ken Hori
2010-01-28 12:10 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-01-28 13:41   ` alin.s
2010-01-28 14:50     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-02-12  8:31 ` alin.s
2010-02-12 12:10   ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-02-12 13:41     ` alin.s
2010-02-12 12:49   ` Jan Djärv
2010-02-12 13:30     ` alin.s
2010-02-12 14:25       ` Jan Djärv
2010-02-12 14:37         ` alin.s
2010-02-12 14:53         ` alin.s
2010-02-12 15:11           ` Jan Djärv
2010-02-12 15:31             ` David Kastrup
2010-02-12 15:55               ` Jan Djärv
2010-02-12 16:53               ` alin.s
2010-02-12 18:55                 ` David Kastrup
2010-02-14 19:13                   ` alin.s
2010-02-17 13:14                     ` Chong Yidong
2010-02-23  0:45                       ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2010-02-23  3:01                         ` David Reitter
2010-02-23  3:34                           ` Tom Tromey
2010-02-23 14:31                         ` Richard Stallman
2010-03-05 22:53                         ` Concurrency (was: redisplay system of emacs) Stefan Monnier
2010-03-05 22:57                           ` Andreas Schwab
2010-03-11 14:18                           ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2010-03-25 16:49                           ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2010-03-26 17:10                             ` Concurrency Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-26 19:37                               ` Concurrency Tom Tromey
2010-03-27  3:00                                 ` Concurrency Ted Zlatanov
2010-03-27 13:33                                   ` Concurrency Stefan Monnier
2010-03-29 18:18                                     ` Concurrency Tom Tromey
2010-03-28 19:40                                   ` Concurrency Tom Tromey
2010-03-28 20:03                                     ` Concurrency Stefan Monnier
2010-03-28 20:25                                       ` Concurrency Davis Herring
2010-03-28 20:54                                         ` Concurrency Giuseppe Scrivano
2010-03-28 23:18                                           ` Concurrency Stefan Monnier
2010-03-29 10:04                                             ` Concurrency Giuseppe Scrivano
2010-03-29 15:37                                               ` Concurrency Tom Tromey
2010-03-29 16:16                                                 ` Concurrency Stefan Monnier
2010-03-29 16:36                                                   ` Concurrency Ken Raeburn
2010-03-29 17:41                                                     ` Concurrency Stefan Monnier
2010-03-29 16:33                                                 ` Ken Raeburn [this message]
2010-03-29 16:58                                                   ` Concurrency Tom Tromey
2010-03-29 17:46                                                     ` Concurrency Stefan Monnier
2010-03-29 17:37                                                 ` Concurrency Giuseppe Scrivano
2010-03-29 18:21                                                   ` Concurrency Stefan Monnier
2010-03-28 21:19                                         ` Concurrency Tom Tromey
2010-03-28 21:22                                         ` Concurrency Daniel Colascione
2010-03-28 23:20                                           ` Concurrency Stefan Monnier
2010-03-29  2:18                                           ` Concurrency Tom Tromey
2010-03-28 21:17                                       ` Concurrency Tom Tromey
2010-03-29 16:25                                         ` Concurrency Ken Raeburn
2010-03-29 16:49                                           ` Concurrency Tom Tromey
2010-03-29 17:39                                             ` Concurrency Stefan Monnier
2010-03-31 17:13                                         ` gsoc for concurrent Emacs? (was: Concurrency) Ted Zlatanov
2010-04-01  9:45                                           ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2010-03-28 21:04                                     ` Concurrency Giuseppe Scrivano
2010-03-28 21:25                                     ` Concurrency Daniel Colascione
2010-03-29  2:20                                       ` Concurrency Tom Tromey
2010-02-14 19:25                   ` redisplay system of emacs alin.s
2010-02-16 16:40                 ` Davis Herring
2010-02-16 19:20                   ` grischka
2010-02-16 19:55                     ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2010-02-17 13:56                       ` alin.s
2010-02-16 20:00                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-02-16 20:56                       ` grischka
2010-02-17  4:20                         ` Eli Zaretskii

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