untabify-region?

untabify-region?

[Johs]

In emacs its possible press "C-x h M-x untabify" to convert tabs to blanks. 
The is very helpfull when typing a verbatim block in latex.

Is there someway to make this function work in other applications as well 
(Kile, TexnicCenter for winXP, etc)? 

Re: untabify-region?

[Robert D. Crawford]

"Johs" <sdfsf@asd.com> writes:

> In emacs its possible press "C-x h M-x untabify" to convert tabs to blanks. 
> The is very helpfull when typing a verbatim block in latex.
>
> Is there someway to make this function work in other applications as well 
> (Kile, TexnicCenter for winXP, etc)? 

You could write an elisp interpreter for the above applications.  Then
you could use the untabify function... oh, wait, then you would have to
also include the functions that untabify rely on... then the functions
that the functions rely on... ad infinitum.  

Seriously, I think it depends on whether the applications have some sort
of support for writing your own functions.  As I am not familiar with
the programs you mention, and _probably_ the majority of people that are
hanging out here are in the same boat, you might have a look at the
communities for the programs mentioned.

Or, you could just live in emacs, which I see as the preferable
solution, YMMV.

take care,
rdc
-- 
Robert D. Crawford                                      rdc1x@comcast.net

Somewhere, just out of sight, the unicorns are gathering.

Re: untabify-region?

[Peter Dyballa]

Am 20.03.2007 um 12:33 schrieb Johs:

> Is there someway to make this function work in other applications  
> as well
> (Kile, TexnicCenter for winXP, etc)?

In Mac OS X this service is available for Aqua clients, for example  
Emacs.app or Carbon Emacs ... but not for X clients! So I stay with  
my Emacsen.

--
Greetings

   Pete

"Don't just do something, sit there."

Re: untabify-region?

[David Combs]

In article <mailman.1151.1174396656.7795.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>,
Peter Dyballa  <Peter_Dyballa@Web.DE> wrote:
>
>Am 20.03.2007 um 12:33 schrieb Johs:
>
>> Is there someway to make this function work in other applications  
>> as well
>> (Kile, TexnicCenter for winXP, etc)?
>
>In Mac OS X this service is available for Aqua clients, for example  
>Emacs.app or Carbon Emacs ... but not for X clients! So I stay with  
>my Emacsen.
>
>--
>Greetings
>
>   Pete
>
>"Don't just do something, sit there."


A completely off-subject question:

I note that you're using OS-X -- in which the lower
parts of are unix or linux or bsd or something.

(correct?)

Does that mean that therefore the entire unix
tools, sh, grep, xargs, ..., are all
available just for the asking -- well,
just waiting for the right incantation?

If so, what *is* this (magic) incantation for
"getting into" eg a bourne shell?

THANKS!

David

Re: untabify-region?

[Peter Dyballa]

Am 09.04.2007 um 10:33 schrieb David Combs:

> I note that you're using OS-X -- in which the lower
> parts of are unix or linux or bsd or something.
>
> (correct?)

FreeBSD 5.0 and Mach 3.0 microkernel.

>
> Does that mean that therefore the entire unix
> tools, sh, grep, xargs, ..., are all
> available just for the asking -- well,
> just waiting for the right incantation?

Yes. The basis of Mac OS X is the free Darwin.

http://www.opensource.apple.com/darwinsource/
http://www.opendarwin.org/
http://developer.apple.com/opensource/index.html

>
> If so, what *is* this (magic) incantation for
> "getting into" eg a bourne shell?

I don't know what you want to read, is it 'man sh' or 'man bash' ?

--
Greetings

   Pete

When people run around and around in circles we say they are crazy.  
When planets do it we say they are orbiting.

Re: untabify-region?

[Joost Kremers]

Peter Dyballa wrote:
> Am 09.04.2007 um 10:33 schrieb David Combs:
>> If so, what *is* this (magic) incantation for
>> "getting into" eg a bourne shell?
>
> I don't know what you want to read, is it 'man sh' or 'man bash' ?

probably he wants to know how to get to a shell at all. IIRC (haven't been
able to use OS X for about 6 months now...) it's Applications | Utilities |
Terminal.

-- 
Joost Kremers                                      joostkremers@yahoo.com
Selbst in die Unterwelt dringt durch Spalten Licht
EN:SiS(9)

Re: untabify-region?

[Peter Dyballa]

Am 09.04.2007 um 14:37 schrieb Joost Kremers:

> Peter Dyballa wrote:
>> Am 09.04.2007 um 10:33 schrieb David Combs:
>>> If so, what *is* this (magic) incantation for
>>> "getting into" eg a bourne shell?
>>
>> I don't know what you want to read, is it 'man sh' or 'man bash' ?
>
> probably he wants to know how to get to a shell at all. IIRC  
> (haven't been
> able to use OS X for about 6 months now...) it's Applications |  
> Utilities |
> Terminal.

No! It's GNU Emacs: M-x shell RET.


--
Mit friedvollen Grüßen

   Pete

Zukunft statt Zustand!

Re: untabify-region?

[David Combs]

In article <mailman.1876.1176139036.7795.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>,
Peter Dyballa  <Peter_Dyballa@Web.DE> wrote:
>
>Am 09.04.2007 um 14:37 schrieb Joost Kremers:
>
>> Peter Dyballa wrote:
>>> Am 09.04.2007 um 10:33 schrieb David Combs:
>>>> If so, what *is* this (magic) incantation for
>>>> "getting into" eg a bourne shell?
>>>
>>> I don't know what you want to read, is it 'man sh' or 'man bash' ?
>>
>> probably he wants to know how to get to a shell at all. IIRC  
>> (haven't been
>> able to use OS X for about 6 months now...) it's Applications |  
>> Utilities |
>> Terminal.
>
>No! It's GNU Emacs: M-x shell RET.

"Emacs"?  What does *that* have to do with anything here?  :-)


Here's the situation:  I'm visiting somewhere, someone has
an apple-laptop, with of course os-x.

I want to be able to say, 

     Hey!  You know, you've got a whole UNIX already
     sitting there, for free, on your computer.

     Here, let me show you:

  Question: what do I do now, eg how to get into
   a shell, run grep, etc?

  Like, what menu do I have to mouse-descend, etc, to
  get "into" unix or bsd or whatever it is?

  A month or two ago I was in such a situation --
  tried using "help", looked for "unix", no luck.

Thanks!

David

Re: untabify-region?

[Joost Kremers]

David Combs wrote:
[shell on OS X]
>   Like, what menu do I have to mouse-descend, etc, to
>   get "into" unix or bsd or whatever it is?

look at the tex you quoted, i already gave you the answer in a previous
post...

-- 
Joost Kremers                                      joostkremers@yahoo.com
Selbst in die Unterwelt dringt durch Spalten Licht
EN:SiS(9)

Re: untabify-region?

[David Combs]

In article <slrnf2onjd.slj.joostkremers@j.kremers4.news.arnhem.chello.nl>,
Joost Kremers  <joostkremers@yahoo.com> wrote:
>David Combs wrote:
>[shell on OS X]
>>   Like, what menu do I have to mouse-descend, etc, to
>>   get "into" unix or bsd or whatever it is?
>
>look at the tex you quoted, i already gave you the answer in a previous
>post...
>
>-- 
>Joost Kremers                                      joostkremers@yahoo.com
>Selbst in die Unterwelt dringt durch Spalten Licht
>EN:SiS(9)

OK, here it is:


Peter Dyballa wrote:
> Am 09.04.2007 um 10:33 schrieb David Combs:
>> If so, what *is* this (magic) incantation for
>> "getting into" eg a bourne shell?
>
> I don't know what you want to read, is it 'man sh' or 'man bash' ?

probably he wants to know how to get to a shell at all. IIRC (haven't been
able to use OS X for about 6 months now...) it's Applications | Utilities |
Terminal.



Since I haven't got one to try it on -- what happens when
I go to "Terminal"?

Do I get a shell prompt?  

If so, then I'm home free!


THANKS!

David

Re: untabify-region?

[Joost Kremers]

David Combs wrote:
> > probably he wants to know how to get to a shell at all. IIRC (haven't been
> > able to use OS X for about 6 months now...) it's Applications | Utilities |
> > Terminal.
> >
>
> Since I haven't got one to try it on -- what happens when
> I go to "Terminal"?
>
> Do I get a shell prompt?  

yes. Terminal is the OS X equivalent of xterm/rxvt/konsole/etc. under X. it
defaults to a bash shell, but you can configure it to use a different shell
if you wish.


-- 
Joost Kremers                                      joostkremers@yahoo.com
Selbst in die Unterwelt dringt durch Spalten Licht
EN:SiS(9)

Re: untabify-region?

[Peter Dyballa]

Am 27.04.2007 um 05:57 schrieb David Combs:

> Since I haven't got one to try it on -- what happens when
> I go to "Terminal"?
>
> Do I get a shell prompt?

Yes, but only one! For each instance of a Terminal window.

>
> If so, then I'm home free!

What does that mean in English?

--
Mit reisefreudigen Grüßen

   Pete

Alles Vernünftige ist einfach; alles Komplizierte ist überflüssig.
                                                  (M. Kalaschnikow)