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X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400e:c03::22f X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:194111 Archived-At: Hi John, Just installed yaoddmews -- surprized I had missed its arrival in the world of Emacs. Now I can even find the energy to go edit the Emacspeak page on the emacs Wiki page that I created so many years ago. Incidentally there are a few Emacs bugs that are relevant to Emacspeak -- I'll try write them up there since they tend to have gotten lost on the list --- the one that is top-most on my mind is the bug relating to around advice and the called-interactively-p (the code in Emacs core has some scary comments on this issue) (see around line 480 in nadvice.el I'll cite it below for context). At present, Emacspeak implements a working (at least works for emacspeak) test called ems-interactive-p --- but in the interest of long-term sanity, I'd love to get rid of that and use something from Emacs core. ;; When code is advised, called-interactively-p needs to be taught to skip ;; the advising frames. ;; FIXME: This Major Ugly Hack won't handle calls to called-interactively-p ;; done from the advised function if the deepest advice is an around advice! ;; In other cases (calls from an advice or calls from the advised function when ;; the deepest advice is not an around advice), it should hopefully get ;; it right. -- --