From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Contributors and maintainers Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 03:18:19 +0900 Message-ID: <22055.55019.169614.692955@turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <87si59wj42.fsf@T420.taylan> <878u6znii9.fsf@T420.taylan> <877fmjj9p6.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87zizfm2dq.fsf@T420.taylan> <871tcr7yvq.fsf@fastmail.com> <87mvvfm0bd.fsf@T420.taylan> <56250803.5080601@cs.ucla.edu> <87a8ren5ys.fsf@T420.taylan> <56259BB1.3070908@cs.ucla.edu> <878u6ykmvt.fsf@T420.taylan> <87h9llvo98.fsf@members.fsf.org> <5626622A.3090707@yandex.ru> <87zizdijbp.fsf@T420.taylan> <56267302.7050606@yandex.ru> <87io61igyu.fsf@T420.taylan> <56267CDF.6010201@yandex.ru> <87wpuhh15s.fsf@T420.taylan> <562683B9.1060305@yandex.ru> <83y4exe71v.fsf@gnu.org> <87zizcfzna.fsf@T420.taylan> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1445491433 26941 80.91.229.3 (22 Oct 2015 05:23:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 05:23:53 +0000 (UTC) Cc: taylanbayirli@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "John Wiegley" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 22 07:23:47 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Zp8Lo-00012D-0n for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 07:23:44 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56109 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zp8Ln-0005c5-FF for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 01:23:43 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:51715) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZoxyA-0007BF-N8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 14:18:39 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zoxy7-0005Jh-Ei for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 14:18:38 -0400 Original-Received: from turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.96.25]:34014) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zoxy5-0005Iq-Ow for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 14:18:35 -0400 Original-Received: from steve by turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp with local (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1Zoxxr-0006aY-6i; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 03:18:19 +0900 In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: VM 8.0.12-devo-585 under 21.5 (beta34) "kale" 698a9aa86de4 XEmacs Lucid (x86_64-apple-darwin14.5.0) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: steve@turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 130.158.96.25 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 01:23:18 -0400 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:192345 Archived-At: John Wiegley writes: > Also, it does not help to reiterate how clear and cogent your > arguments have been. Until we both agree, "clarity" and "cogency" > have not been achieved. N.B. Here I hope that by "agree" John means "agree that we both have the same understanding of the issue". Sometimes different value systems means that although we do understand the issue the same way, we take different positions, and will still not agree on what to do. But that's rarely a complete blocker to cooperation. One of the nice properties of free software is that when agreeing to disagree, we can both have the bikeshed painted in our favorite color.