From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Licensing of NEWS files? Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 10:16:48 +0900 Message-ID: <22048.20480.388749.629256@turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <87si5cunrt.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <561FD0B8.2020209@yandex.ru> <878u74drzq.fsf@mbork.pl> <561FD505.1030509@yandex.ru> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1444958246 29287 80.91.229.3 (16 Oct 2015 01:17:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 01:17:26 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Dmitry Gutov , Marcin Borkowski , David Kastrup Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Oct 16 03:17:21 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Zmte4-0006A5-EL for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 16 Oct 2015 03:17:20 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50394 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zmte3-0006KP-5O for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 15 Oct 2015 21:17:19 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:45222) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zmtdr-0006KK-E2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 15 Oct 2015 21:17:08 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zmtdq-0006Ba-IP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 15 Oct 2015 21:17:07 -0400 Original-Received: from turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.96.25]:45166) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zmtdk-00068R-QZ; Thu, 15 Oct 2015 21:17:01 -0400 Original-Received: from steve by turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp with local (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1ZmtdY-0004Ir-Is; Fri, 16 Oct 2015 10:16:48 +0900 In-Reply-To: <561FD505.1030509@yandex.ru> X-Mailer: VM 8.0.12-devo-585 under 21.5 (beta34) "kale" 698a9aa86de4 XEmacs Lucid (x86_64-apple-darwin14.5.0) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: steve@turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 130.158.96.25 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:191706 Archived-At: Dmitry Gutov writes: > On 10/15/2015 07:19 PM, Marcin Borkowski wrote: > > > Isn't Fair Use limited to US law? Yes and no. Some other jurisdictions (eg, Japan) have legal provisions that implement the same kind of exceptions; the U.S. leaves it up to the judge. (Like "My Fair Lady", "fair" use is beautiful in the eye of the beholder, not "just".) Giving the practice of leaving it up to the judge legal status ("fair use" is mentioned in the law) is unique to the U.S., I believe. > I believe so. But Emacs copyright is registered in the US. Irrelevant. Under the Berne Convention and other international law, *copyright* is universal and automatic. However, the rights of various parties are defined by national law. There may be cases where acts in Germany are considered to be covered by U.S. law, but I doubt Deutsche Allgemeine (sp?) quoting NEWS is. David Kastrup writes: > Granted, that did not annoy me as much for licensing reasons as > it did for making it unable to get a rough estimate when the various > major versions of Emacs had been released. Every source distribution of XEmacs has precise dates for historical releases of both forks up to about 2004 (I don't know it they're accurate, but I suppose they are pretty close) in the header comment in emacs.c. I believe the same information is available somewhere on Jamie's site, perhaps more recently updated. More recent releases should be in git.