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X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4864:20::332 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:120513 Archived-At: On 17.05.2019 22:23, Óscar Fuentes wrote: > If those other editors do the simple thing better than Emacs and you > decided that *I* don't need the not-so-simple thing a lot of the time... > well, it is difficult to keep arguing, isn't it? I'm saying there's no need to feel smug, given the current situation. We should be able to do both the simple thing, and not-so-simple thing, better. Or at least, reasonably well. And if we do the simple thing well, that's one less reason for anybody new to Emacs to shrug and give up.