From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Xah Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: What does 'run' do in cperl-mode? Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:34:16 -0700 (PDT) Organization: http://groups.google.com Message-ID: <218dfb54-c3b0-4887-a305-a8ae984a2f2b@a8g2000prf.googlegroups.com> References: <0ded5ecd-f5f6-4a8e-9d19-f61bf0401022@v39g2000pro.googlegroups.com> <86hcad9ar4.fsf@lifelogs.com> <0bb45e96-f9f3-4451-a457-004bb5930c76@p10g2000prf.googlegroups.com> <927b0c4a-3de2-4be5-b86a-7ffacc4d718e@v1g2000pra.googlegroups.com> <88821130-f989-49ac-b8b1-e3cb2f5c5271@1g2000pre.googlegroups.com> <86r6993m9f.fsf@lifelogs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1217562047 8807 80.91.229.12 (1 Aug 2008 03:40:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 03:40:47 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Aug 01 05:41:37 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KOlWK-0002S4-Dd for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 01 Aug 2008 05:41:36 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55334 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KOlVP-0003Od-PH for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 23:40:39 -0400 Original-Path: news.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!a8g2000prf.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 69 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.6.97.120 Original-X-Trace: posting.google.com 1217561656 4980 127.0.0.1 (1 Aug 2008 03:34:16 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 03:34:16 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: a8g2000prf.googlegroups.com; posting-host=24.6.97.120; posting-account=bRPKjQoAAACxZsR8_VPXCX27T2YcsyMA User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X 10_4_11; en) AppleWebKit/525.18 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.1.2 Safari/525.22, gzip(gfe), gzip(gfe) Original-Xref: news.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:160761 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:56109 Archived-At: On Jul 31, 12:07 pm, Ted Zlatanov wrote: > On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:20:35 -0700 (PDT)Xah wrote: > > >> In that case I suggest you start by making your change suggestion > >> through the proper channels, not in this newsgroup. I don't feel like > >> explaining to you basic facts about man-hours, volunteer labor, and th= e > >> hundreds of thousands of Emacs users that would deal with that change. > >> Again, I'm not being rude, just unwilling to spend my time explaining > >> all this when you don't appear to have any experience writing manuals, > >> software, or doing user support. > > X> Can you keep to topic instead giving me extraneous advice? > > Above I listed the things I don't want to explain to you (but, with a > little brain activity, you could understand for yourself) that make your > 4 man-hours estimate to implement your proposed change extremely > unrealistic. This is very much on-topic. It's frustrating that you > simply ignore reasonable answers when they don't suit you. One thing about argument, especially among newsgroup tech geekers, is that reasoning and critical thinking is wanting, but lots huff and puff and sneer. In this thread, i think Eli Zaretskii took the Gold for huffy-puffy. Your first post, is very good i think. It has solid technical info, on topic, and helpful to new emacs users. > X> For example, i suggest you more books about philosophy, critical > X> thinking. I don't mean to be rude, but really, reading those books > X> will help you discuss more fruitfully, even if you don't have real > X> world experience working in a large software project. > > Thanks, I'll put it on my reading list. My philosophy readings have > been lax lately, what with the pomegranate garden blooming and the > seawater distillation plant getting jammed with dolphins and the > orphanage running low on porridge. I assume that meanwhile you've been > working in large software projects. LOL. Seriously i did not know you were just fucking with me in the past few messages or what. No, i have not been working on large software projects. In the past few years, i lived in my car for a couple years and am currently still largely a bum. > X> The proper channel for telling me my use of Alt-=E2=80=B9key=E2=80=BA = is wrong then > X> perhaps is email. > > I don't care to tell *you* that. I tried to tell the end user who you > misled when you used Alt, while the Emacs manual and community uses > Meta. That's why I am suggesting footnotes, so your information is not > misleading but merely verbose. Yesterday i filed a bug report on this issue. I'm happy to say, it is received favorably. http://groups.google.com/group/gnu.emacs.bug/browse_frm/thread/c92887cbc7c6= f843 PS To all, there's a emacs group in Second Life. We can meet and voice chat. I'm Xah Toll there. Xah =E2=88=91 http://xahlee.org/ =E2=98=84