From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ulrich Mueller Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: emacs-24.5-rc3.tar.xz modified in place Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2015 11:21:57 +0200 Message-ID: <21799.38453.712043.482146@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> References: <87pp7dro0p.fsf@netris.org> <83iod4v38r.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1428657756 2901 80.91.229.3 (10 Apr 2015 09:22:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2015 09:22:36 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Mark H Weaver , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Apr 10 11:22:25 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YgV8m-0007Ig-Fq for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 10 Apr 2015 11:22:20 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38230 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YgV8l-0003hi-HX for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 10 Apr 2015 05:22:19 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:41319) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YgV8i-0003hP-6t for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Apr 2015 05:22:17 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YgV8e-0005oj-QQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Apr 2015 05:22:16 -0400 Original-Received: from a1www.kph.uni-mainz.de ([134.93.134.1]:37467) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YgV8e-0005mg-Hm; Fri, 10 Apr 2015 05:22:12 -0400 Original-Received: from a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de (a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de [134.93.134.92]) by a1www.kph.uni-mainz.de (8.14.9/8.14.7) with ESMTP id t3A9LxQ7024488; Fri, 10 Apr 2015 11:21:59 +0200 Original-Received: from a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de (8.14.8/8.14.2) with ESMTP id t3A9Lxp3025495; Fri, 10 Apr 2015 11:21:59 +0200 Original-Received: (from ulm@localhost) by a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de (8.14.8/8.14.8/Submit) id t3A9Lvvc025490; Fri, 10 Apr 2015 11:21:58 +0200 In-Reply-To: <83iod4v38r.fsf@gnu.org> X-Mailer: VM 8.2.0b under 24.3.1 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 134.93.134.1 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:185248 Archived-At: >>>>> On Fri, 10 Apr 2015, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > It was done on purpose, to shorten the release time. Nicolas did as > instructed. What sort of excuse is this? Please, never ever modify a distfile in place without updating its version number. It would have been no problem to use -rc4 here. The modified file in question, emacs-24.5-rc3.tar.xz, had already been fetched by the Gentoo mirror system. I have updated it now (and the checksums recorded in our package's manifest), but it will take some time for the new files to propagate, so in the mean time users will get checksum failures. What do you do if you receive a bug report for rc3? You don't know if it was for the old or the new rc3. (Oh, it doesn't matter because there were only cosmetic changes? Then there was no need to update the distfile, in the first place.) Also this isn't the first time that such a thing has happened: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2011-08/msg00028.html > Distributions should not pick up alpha releases without asking > first. It is entirely the decision of a distro what they include and what they don't. The release candidate is distributed under the GPL-3, so why should anyone have to ask before redistributing it? And it's not an alpha release but supposedly the final release candidate, so it should be in everyone's interest if it gets as much testing as possible. Certainly, Gentoo won't include any rc in stable, but we have an unstable/testing branch for such purposes. Ulrich