From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Paul Eggert Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: macOS support Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2018 18:34:33 -0700 Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department Message-ID: <21725aad-6d7f-8ace-dffc-347bb75616bc@cs.ucla.edu> References: <83fu4tjmdv.fsf@gnu.org> <20180321191903.GA38993@breton.holly.idiocy.org> <83d0zxjk5p.fsf@gnu.org> <20180321201234.GA39094@breton.holly.idiocy.org> <834ll8k1tx.fsf@gnu.org> <83po3whzln.fsf@gnu.org> <20180323195210.GA41757@breton.holly.idiocy.org> <20180323214705.GA41855@breton.holly.idiocy.org> <83r2oagevx.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1522027999 29173 195.159.176.226 (26 Mar 2018 01:33:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2018 01:33:19 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.6.0 To: Stefan Monnier , emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Mar 26 03:33:15 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f0H0c-0007Uv-5m for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 26 Mar 2018 03:33:14 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53063 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f0H2f-00078T-Ks for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 25 Mar 2018 21:35:21 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:50571) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f0H1z-00077s-Ea for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 25 Mar 2018 21:34:40 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f0H1w-0003iu-AY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 25 Mar 2018 21:34:39 -0400 Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.128.68]:38330) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f0H1w-0003i8-3h for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 25 Mar 2018 21:34:36 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAE8D160F9F; Sun, 25 Mar 2018 18:34:34 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id JQLozw1DreXA; Sun, 25 Mar 2018 18:34:34 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32ABF1611D3; Sun, 25 Mar 2018 18:34:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at zimbra.cs.ucla.edu Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id O4lwwkhh1qaw; Sun, 25 Mar 2018 18:34:34 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from [192.168.1.9] (unknown [47.154.30.119]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 11099160F9F; Sun, 25 Mar 2018 18:34:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 131.179.128.68 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:224022 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier wrote: > So I strongly encourage those users who think they're stuck with OSX > 10.6 to upgrade to a Free operating system. This makes sense to me too. Generally speaking Emacs and other GNU projects shouldn't bother supporti= ng=20 platforms that are no longer supported by their original issuers. For exa= mple,=20 starting in 2014 we no longer needed to bother to support IRIX, because S= GI no=20 longer supported IRIX. As I understand it, Apple itself supports only the last three or four mac= OS=20 versions. This is not a formal rule that Apple publishes -- Apple being A= pple=20 keeps such info a secret -- but it's a reasonably accurate description of= their=20 behavior. With this in mind, I suggest that we now stop worrying about OS= X 10.9=20 "Mavericks" and earlier, as Apple itself no longer supports these older=20 releases. This doesn't mean we need to rip out older code immediately, it= just=20 means we shouldn't worry about these older releases. Really, we have bett= er=20 things to do with our limited resources.