From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Roland Winkler" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: How to make Emacs popular again: Use monospaced fonts less Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2020 15:06:17 -0600 Message-ID: <21321.10219.294321.24521@gargle.gargle.HOWL> References: <84273aa2-24a9-7584-18b9-03a5ac783d62@yandex.ru> <835z7vjrg3.fsf@gnu.org> <83tuvegkmo.fsf@gnu.org> <83v9ftf6n9.fsf@gnu.org> <835z7qfp6h.fsf@gnu.org> <87ft6lgw5y.fsf_-_@gnus.org> <87lfgciy9f.fsf@igel.home> <87362kfsf5.fsf@gmx.net> <874kl39aua.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87mtyvltx6.fsf@rub.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="38717"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , emacs-devel@gnu.org, Andreas Schwab , Stefan Monnier , Juri Linkov To: Stephen Berman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Dec 03 22:07:26 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kkvoz-0009ws-Py for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2020 22:07:25 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41484 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kkvoy-0005vI-Sf for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2020 16:07:24 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:49028) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kkvo4-0005Se-76 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2020 16:06:28 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:51388) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kkvo2-0005Sf-84; Thu, 03 Dec 2020 16:06:26 -0500 Original-Received: from [2602:30a:2e52:d720:65b7:1416:12e7:8bfb] (port=49930 helo=regnitz) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kkvny-0005Wh-2b; Thu, 03 Dec 2020 16:06:22 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87mtyvltx6.fsf@rub.de> X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:260247 Archived-At: On Wed Dec 2 2020 Stephen Berman wrote: > On Thu Jul 21 2011 Chong Yidong wrote: > > AFAICT, the alignment issue does not occur in Tabulated List mode, which > > uses :align-to. In the short run, you might be able to get a clue about > > the correct fix from there. In the long run, I think proced.el should > > be reworked to use Tabulated List mode. > > Thanks, I'll have to find out what Tabulated List mode is doing. > I am just wondering: In general, proced was much inspired by dired. > Would you suggest that dired should likewise use Tabulated List mode? > > Maybe Roland (added to CC) can weigh in again. I am sorry, there is not much I can contribute to this discussion. I developed proced in 2008 when, I believe, tabulated list mode did not yet exist. In general, I am much in favor of not re-inventing the wheel. So even if tabulated list mode cannot yet provide all the functionality that is useful for proced, it is probably better if this is provided only once in tabulated list mode, and packages like proced use it. I will not miss the handcrafted solutions in proced.