From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#14942: 24.3.50; Improve key descriptions for facemenu menu items Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 22:30:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <20a01510-8eb7-4920-a7b9-0dcecdd73845@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1374643868 24388 80.91.229.3 (24 Jul 2013 05:31:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 05:31:08 +0000 (UTC) To: 14942@debbugs.gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jul 24 07:31:09 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1V1rfI-0007aR-Gy for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 24 Jul 2013 07:31:08 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54761 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V1rfI-0006Sx-5R for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 24 Jul 2013 01:31:08 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:45544) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V1rfD-0006Sg-Rj for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Jul 2013 01:31:05 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V1rfC-0005Th-Vd for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Jul 2013 01:31:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:51726) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V1rfC-0005Td-SG for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Jul 2013 01:31:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1V1rfC-0003nX-Hw for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Jul 2013 01:31:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 05:31:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 14942 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.137464383014499 (code B ref -1); Wed, 24 Jul 2013 05:31:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Jul 2013 05:30:30 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46042 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1V1ref-0003lk-TM for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 24 Jul 2013 01:30:30 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:43647) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1V1reY-0003kC-7p for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 24 Jul 2013 01:30:23 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V1reR-0005MI-U6 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 24 Jul 2013 01:30:16 -0400 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:54082) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V1reR-0005ME-Qy for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 24 Jul 2013 01:30:15 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:45364) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V1reQ-0006QQ-MX for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Jul 2013 01:30:15 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V1reP-0005Lw-LL for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Jul 2013 01:30:14 -0400 Original-Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:47852) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V1reP-0005Ll-Et for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Jul 2013 01:30:13 -0400 Original-Received: from ucsinet22.oracle.com (ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1) with ESMTP id r6O5UBQV000411 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2013 05:30:12 GMT Original-Received: from userz7021.oracle.com (userz7021.oracle.com [156.151.31.85]) by ucsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r6O5U8Cw026525 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2013 05:30:11 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt110.oracle.com (abhmt110.oracle.com [141.146.116.62]) by userz7021.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r6O5U7iE003579 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2013 05:30:07 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.7 (607090) [OL 12.0.6668.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:76613 Archived-At: `C-h f facemenu-set-invisible' says that the command is bound to v, v. Good luck trying to understand that, Ms User. And yet it is so close. This would be a lot more helpful for users if we simply used reasonable names for the menu-item pseudo-function keys. Instead of use and things suddenly become much clearer. Likewise, use instead of . Likewise, use instead of just [?v]. There is no reason to take shortcuts coding this kind of thing. Keep in mind that the names used for menu-item keys are part of the user interface. Please make an effort to provide names that help users instead of just looking for a quick abbreviation. In GNU Emacs 24.3.50.1 (i686-pc-mingw32) of 2013-07-14 on ODIEONE Bzr revision: 113423 lekktu@gmail.com-20130715004922-i67tg2ois14h3fpm Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 6.1.7601 Configured using: `configure --prefix=3D/c/Devel/emacs/binary --enable-checking=3Dyes,glyphs CFLAGS=3D'-O0 -g3' CPPFLAGS=3D'-Ic:/Devel/emacs/include' LDFLAGS=3D'-Lc:/Devel/emacs/lib''