From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Samuel Wales" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help,gmane.emacs.orgmode Subject: desirability of boxquote-style snippets for helping new users Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 18:41:31 -0700 Message-ID: <20524da70901151741n2ee14a3fta28b32b32d45b132@mail.gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1232070125 3302 80.91.229.12 (16 Jan 2009 01:42:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 01:42:05 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 16 02:43:16 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1LNdjw-0000aQ-45 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 02:43:16 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33797 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LNdif-0008NN-JD for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:41:57 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LNdiL-0008Lu-UR for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:41:37 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LNdiK-0008L9-1C for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:41:37 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=51224 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LNdiJ-0008L6-S9; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:41:35 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-bw0-f14.google.com ([209.85.218.14]:61527) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LNdiJ-0000yD-Dd; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:41:35 -0500 Original-Received: by bwz7 with SMTP id 7so977945bwz.18 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 17:41:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=rG3SOriTeDfZWJWRuH56j5smBAaMP7q/R864k9Esr2o=; b=WjORVQqZz4tLCWBfiIM+SjcqNyxzBtfr4WKSXjbtjvJn2E81q+T9qsUndwvzzicRtv TWV6LGNkVw8MtnoCD2upkjFAsd8hncZ2q8XdxdYRVma4kGJlSRKECZtbUUScMLneSBMs 8KdAIOPql+THtGkzHfJweDR8u2pV41LwhxQIs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=iW5yB4ff91SxbkR2vrd8zv+HoVs9VlUsSZwIEb9eJor5JkYwUz2aY5gB/hKgmkJhWd hKMJNNxi9PyyWZLwetDyDxWwEWTmrj5qebfvDQY8Jy5cyIhWX+ULzER91s29U42sSbSv OQuJn4I2V/wVdwMM4GIAEEWORIHr1aN93snIo= Original-Received: by 10.103.222.1 with SMTP id z1mr975595muq.51.1232070091885; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 17:41:31 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.103.221.19 with HTTP; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 17:41:31 -0800 (PST) Content-Disposition: inline X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:61388 gmane.emacs.orgmode:10485 Archived-At: I have noticed more people using boxquote and similar ways of setting off code. This makes it pretty and makes it stand out, both of which are good things. However, most prefix every line. For example, boxquote by default uses "|". While an experienced user can figure out rectangle commands or write a command to unpack the quote, new users and users who can't type much might skip using the code to avoid having to do that. And a very new user could actually stick the whole thing in .emacs and wonder why it doesn't work. It adds to the burden of fixing a problem or meeting a need in emacs without providing much benefit. Even a few keystrokes can do that. Perhaps quotes of code, in all packages like boxquote, could by default get fancy only on the lines precediing and following. What do you think? -- For personal gain, myalgic encephalomyelitis denialists are knowingly causing massive suffering and 25-years-early death by grossly corrupting science. http://www.meactionuk.org.uk/What_Is_ME_What_Is_CFS.htm