From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Roland Winkler" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#10554: 24.0.92; No units specified (dimensionless quantities in Emacs Calc) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 10:03:21 -0600 Message-ID: <20250.57801.922272.839228@gargle.gargle.HOWL> References: <8762g8i7s6.fsf@niu.edu> <87bopz5pt8.fsf@gmail.com> <20248.39483.716850.185512@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <87d3afdlfz.fsf@gmail.com> <20249.10002.733142.491623@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <8739bajp5k.fsf@gmail.com> <20249.43656.150957.30947@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <8739bab36p.fsf@gmail.com> <20249.52946.931367.162775@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <87lip29jsn.fsf@gmail.com> <20249.58980.778477.37221@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <87r4yt9b6g.fsf@gmail.com> <20250.33882.89017.12372@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <87mx9hukn4.fsf@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1327161854 3111 80.91.229.12 (21 Jan 2012 16:04:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 16:04:14 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 10554@debbugs.gnu.org To: jay.p.belanger@gmail.com Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jan 21 17:04:10 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RodQD-0003xW-Cz for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 21 Jan 2012 17:04:05 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35103 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RodQC-0006eq-UM for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 21 Jan 2012 11:04:04 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:47281) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RodQ9-0006cv-AI for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 21 Jan 2012 11:04:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RodQ6-0003tL-UL for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 21 Jan 2012 11:04:01 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:33876) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RodQ6-0003tH-Sm for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 21 Jan 2012 11:03:58 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RodQA-0006AV-Dy for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 21 Jan 2012 11:04:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: "Roland Winkler" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 16:04:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 10554 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 10554-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B10554.132716184023697 (code B ref 10554); Sat, 21 Jan 2012 16:04:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 10554) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Jan 2012 16:04:00 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39262 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RodQ8-0006A9-CP for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 21 Jan 2012 11:04:00 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:43906 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RodQ6-0006A3-W5 for 10554@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 21 Jan 2012 11:03:59 -0500 Original-Received: from [83.175.202.27] (port=53797 helo=regnitz) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RodQ0-0001Tc-6t; Sat, 21 Jan 2012 11:03:55 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87mx9hukn4.fsf@gmail.com> X-Mailer: VM 8.2 trial under 24.0.92.1 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:55894 Archived-At: On Sat Jan 21 2012 Jay Belanger wrote: > > - If Calc finds a dimensionless number "7" on the stack, for unit > > conversions it gets interpreted as "7 one" > > This would break current convert-units behavior, where a dimensionless > number can be interpreted by the user as any unit. This is why when the > user asks to convert a plain number, Calc asks for the old units. Calc > was written that way on purpose, and is a feature of Calc's units > handling. That's why I said later in the email you are quoting: As discussed already, backward compatibility will require a user variable calc-treat-numbers-as-dimensional, bound to nil by default. There might be other situations where the requested treatment of dimensionless numbers implies a deviation from the current behavior Roland