From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jimmy Aguilar Mena Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [ELPA] Package cleanup Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2022 06:56:02 +0200 Message-ID: <20220330045602.4j55nyt52lyib3c6@Ergus> References: <20220329004337.nzeew6dlyqxm7wat@Ergus> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="20906"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Richard Stallman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Mar 30 13:19:43 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nZWMX-0005G1-9L for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 30 Mar 2022 13:19:42 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:32842 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nZWMW-0002p5-7F for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 30 Mar 2022 07:19:40 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:59918) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nZQNT-0004Co-Pg for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Mar 2022 00:56:15 -0400 Original-Received: from mao.bsc.es ([84.88.52.34]:33909 helo=mail.bsc.es) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nZQNQ-0005Y3-FO; Wed, 30 Mar 2022 00:56:15 -0400 Original-Received: from Ergus (2.152.205.184.dyn.user.ono.com [2.152.205.184]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.bsc.es (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 512F34064492; Wed, 30 Mar 2022 06:56:04 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsc.es; s=20191012; t=1648616164; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=V6y2O67sHyczejG3/r3UF1FwWeJRN5u7YUO4s15NwjQ=; b=ZWhlht3Y0fPjR2YhBMykH8OBYbvmuVkBpRvdupGbW5ytqcNqjANY14okPOVhC6wE2XDg1C oPslbwdmfvVudCuYb20Bz0U4//8YJ3Gb7ydsu49sC4+N/r3Lydw05+zgJ8rdKMVbssBbpe URq16AojIt9SxPlSbLrl1jAv2NWTHXq3iNKdIm5clx0dOY+km9qRQroCxYr+xK5N0UpCkC 3p/Y1qphkzF5XvDVfzVPaPDgTblIaiapMRXwRdRgg24/gJ9fPDBc7iq5npJBHwu0BUWhkm 2LBDNBnY+rzCx0k0MYVGTJRjxuN02Uf1J3rt71nsq29Zca5VH2vgu/5BzFuLrA== Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-8.91 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DKIM_SIGNED(0.00)[bsc.es:s=20191012]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM(-0.00)[-1.000]; WHITELIST_SENDER_DOMAIN(-9.00)[bsc.es]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6739, ipnet:2.152.0.0/16, country:ES]; BAYES_HAM(-0.31)[72.55%] X-Copyrighted-Material: Please visit http://www.bsc.es/disclaimer X-Rspamd-Server: opsmail02.bsc.es X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 512F34064492 Received-SPF: pass client-ip=84.88.52.34; envelope-from=jimmy.aguilar@bsc.es; helo=mail.bsc.es X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 30 Mar 2022 07:17:00 -0400 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:287606 Archived-At: On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 11:12:06PM -0400, Richard Stallman wrote: >[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] >[[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] >[[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > >Thanks for investigating the situation with unmaintained packages. >What you've found will help us think about what to do. > > > Just a question. Did you finally agreed about the package > > obsoletion/removal procedure for ELPA? > >I'd like to see a proposal. > I have seen some discussions about this topic before. See bellow. > > It seems there are some packages there which haven't received any update > > in a very long time (>5 years). > >That suggests they might have bugs and need maintenance, >but it does not imply they are useless or obsolete. >They might be obsolete, or not. > >There are many questions we'd want to check >to decide what to do with each package. > But if they don't receive any update for years, and the bug reports accumulate (on github too) then it quite possible that either the users and the maintainers are not interested on it anymore. > > I have found some packages that doesn't even work or rely on some > > features that were obsoleted or removed. > >In those cases, we clearly don't want to leave the package there >in its current form. But what change should we make? > >We could delete it. We could look for people to update it. >Either one might be better, depending on more details. > We could archive it in a different repository in case someone desires to adopt, check or fork in the future. Or we could also flag it somehow to say to the package-list that it is orphan, obsolete, unmaintained... That's the approach in the AUR repository for arch Linux and it is useful; because the users get a warning during the updates about abandon, orphan or outdated packages. Then if a package is in that state for too long it may be archived, so it can be accessed, but is not offered in the package list as a good alternative. > >-- >Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) >Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) >Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) >Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) > >