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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:286967 Archived-At: On Wed, Mar 09, 2022 at 12:32:14PM -0500, Stefan Monnier wrote: >Po Lu [2022-03-09 21:46:06] wrote: >> Eli Zaretskii writes: >>> But yes, I think this behavior you propose _must_ be optional, most >>> probably opt-in for starters. Not everyone will want it. >> I agree completely. I'm sure many people have developed a lot of muscle >> memory regarding completion, and even tiny changes will probably be a >> nusiance to them. Hi Stefan: > >Then again, it's only by enabling it by default that we'll get a clear >picture of which changes are annoyances are which aren't. > I just sent a patch here with new custom values for completion-auto-help as Eli suggested. >So I'd start by changing the default on `master` and after a month or >so, collect feedback to decide how to go about adding it: either by just >changing the behavior willy-nilly, or introduce it but add an option to >revert to the old behavior, or leave the default unchanged but add an >option to get the new behavior, ... > I agree with this approach by 110%. I think it is sensible and we can try to put the 'visual value as default without excessive complains. As it is consistent enough but also improves a bit the behavior based on your initial comment without affecting too much the previous behavior. > > Stefan >