From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: [OFFPTOPIC] ACM digital library (was: Lisp books) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2021 22:56:40 +0200 Message-ID: <20211006205640.GA16037@tuxteam.de> References: <87lf3aeasj.fsf_-_@zoho.eu> <87ilyb237u.fsf@zoho.eu> <87pmsjzhay.fsf@zoho.eu> <20211006070643.GB20835@tuxteam.de> <20211006125405.GA32757@tuxteam.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ReaqsoxgOBHFXBhH" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="770"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 06 22:58:55 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mYE06-000AWo-Ek for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 06 Oct 2021 22:58:54 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38892 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mYE05-0006uz-93 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 06 Oct 2021 16:58:53 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:39608) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mYDy8-0006mu-IX for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Oct 2021 16:56:52 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.tuxteam.de ([5.199.139.25]:52853) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mYDy6-0004hn-I8 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Oct 2021 16:56:52 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tuxteam.de; s=mail; h=From:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:Date; bh=vC5dlMrr1NFpP/A0xQ7LAnKS4BPbbyWsoSYMAWdPRqo=; b=UlEF0JgwG6I0KrngQvcprsJRiGRuJa2YTn4nGbgB9ChJJCVlh5h4ZB3hJR7smLlGRDzfGipxx4bAb3id+rrr0UmpqFSAiryUOeoYzOVaJqbueo7gO6tmM4LGptc/NzzyRdJtakmKPhDf+Uk+LijlY9bk3ciN8MrXqCooQNlWUGNs/Bo2P9GwvlHD8AaYXVfZ2CNPrFzkkS38j+0LEITFhyhXQON4D2lgMHngxalaLoe8LBZRXOFHZNJhrppbxXRfOEvFEH+R7bwauilJbDV9B41grhtPmgYGKhwIOmDOjwbnak8oHQaquIku+1IC0qLTBWP/qQBBF0/fqRtMcZ9GtQ==; Original-Received: from tomas by mail.tuxteam.de with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1mYDxw-0004GA-UZ; Wed, 06 Oct 2021 22:56:40 +0200 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=5.199.139.25; envelope-from=tomas@tuxteam.de; helo=mail.tuxteam.de X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:133626 Archived-At: --ReaqsoxgOBHFXBhH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline On Wed, Oct 06, 2021 at 04:24:41PM -0400, Stefan Monnier via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor wrote: [...] > But the ACM is not a corporation, it's a professional organization > that's supposed to serve its members, such as myself (hence the `.org` > compared to Springer's `.com`). I didn't imply it was. I think it's just a case of "cultural hegemony". Or something. > They get sucked into corporate newspeak, indeed, and they haven't > converted their library to Open Access (tho it's in the plans and some > of the articles are, such our HOPL-4 paper but apparently not the above > HOPL-2 paper) but I think we should lobby them to get better rather than > shun them (after all, most of the alternatives are worse and beholden to > corporate interests, except for those which don't intend to provide > anything more than archival services, such as LIPIcs or arXiv). I don't shun /them/, just their web site :-) Actually I do appreciate the ACM. Cheers - t --ReaqsoxgOBHFXBhH Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAmFeDYgACgkQBcgs9XrR2ka84QCeJmHam9NS0CVEQ0l2/nD9VUQm C9AAnRPWAwnkLur6fsY2TeiYp6tnzmbm =lc/H -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ReaqsoxgOBHFXBhH--