From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: tomas@tuxteam.de Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Gathering data on user preferences Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2021 10:11:43 +0200 Message-ID: <20210907081143.GD4097@tuxteam.de> References: <87h7exkphw.fsf@gmail.com> <20210907064208.GB4097@tuxteam.de> <87czpklsng.fsf@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="IMjqdzrDRly81ofr" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="23806"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Tim Cross Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Sep 07 10:12:29 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mNWDV-0005yb-NG for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 07 Sep 2021 10:12:29 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37180 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mNWDU-0002Sf-Dg for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 07 Sep 2021 04:12:28 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:43466) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mNWCq-0001h8-Ev for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Sep 2021 04:11:48 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.tuxteam.de ([5.199.139.25]:50448) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mNWCn-0003eO-QV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Sep 2021 04:11:48 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tuxteam.de; s=mail; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date; bh=uCbEGgy2NrPMy+yEVv52uSa9GfHezI4121TvlYuKiPw=; b=CjMPyw2W+C3EBGpFbn938sgUHkS+KUdjCPiP7UlGu5PJubbrlMRvFYFqIkQsFswcUFy1PXtKSStd1Ja+bRDjX9uNo/hLUni3vFucq3fJ935ifRdh9GPrGvdsyEXAQxwimkh9WNguyhSUvmUjrodTVSLeHXMlx1gU4rz3XGdLRo0As2K/CbF8fySBr7PvHc/ITBm1S21RU4dvoz0MgBybOksc4GdKPf+l7VXI4veTOvuuml5MIvl80/xz0itXx9he8ucsXaAukQ0gxTwOXDhIaw9tVKb93DoqrGhy1nLq2MY9TGQcZtZdD7wxWjnuNsUDgAwORVOlo/FA8/6y9lLPVA==; Original-Received: from tomas by mail.tuxteam.de with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1mNWCl-0002Xt-QZ; Tue, 07 Sep 2021 10:11:43 +0200 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87czpklsng.fsf@gmail.com> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=5.199.139.25; envelope-from=tomas@tuxteam.de; helo=mail.tuxteam.de X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:274216 Archived-At: --IMjqdzrDRly81ofr Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Sep 07, 2021 at 05:54:09PM +1000, Tim Cross wrote: [...] > I was thinking of only getting data on 'non-sensitive' variables Of course, I didn't assume otherwise. What I was aiming at is that classifying /which/ variables can be considered 'non-sensitive' is already some non-negligible work, that's all (and leaving the decision to each single user doesn't seem fair). > and > only aggregate data would be available (i.e. make sure it is not > possible to say person x submitted values a, b and c). Of course. Correlations between values might be of interest. > [...] The possible downside is that this would be > open to 'gaming' the system, but I'm not sure we need to worry about > that too much - there is little reward in doing so. This is why I pointed to Debian's popcon: they just live with that, and that doesn't seem to be a problem. > The system would definitely be 'opt in' and the user would be shown > exactly what is going to be sent (and provided with the ability to > remove anything they are not comfortable with).=20 Also, see popcon. As a small nit: why JSON and not S-expressions? We're lispies, after all ;-) But the latter are just details. I guess who gets to implement gets to choose. That might be an incentive ;-P Cheers - t --IMjqdzrDRly81ofr Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAmE3Hr8ACgkQBcgs9XrR2kb6xACdF9VDeRZyqp9Ujl6YEoMnwz8Y TyIAn0Rv98kl/CgvRfEz0/6h+ZxhEC11 =BEpq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --IMjqdzrDRly81ofr--