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From: Ergus <spacibba@aol.com>
To: Yuri Khan <yuri.v.khan@gmail.com>
Cc: Juri Linkov <juri@linkov.net>, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
	Emacs developers <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: New Context Menu
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2021 18:05:52 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20210824160552.mtr5fvglhywsjpq2@Ergus> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAP_d_8UKxR5tJ3G2hDFi_0k4OuTK7c1tLk5qB6SBXFNDxx8BFw@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 06:44:44PM +0700, Yuri Khan wrote:
>On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 at 15:01, Ergus <spacibba@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> >> lk201.el:35:    (define-key map "\e[29~" [menu])
>> >> rxvt.el:67:    (define-key map "\e[29~" [S-f6])
>> >> xterm.el:353:    (define-key map "\e[29~" [print])
>> >>
>> >> where "\e[29~" is the sequence the menu key sends. So maybe you could
>> >> use [S-f6] instead?
>> >>
>> >> That will make it work out of the box in urxvt.
>>
>> Maybe I miss explained myself. The idea to put it in [S-f6] is to make
>> the context menu work with the [menu] button out of the box when
>> available in urxvt (and on xterm if fixed).
>
>That would be wrong. Better:
>
It is not wrong actually. Because keys like [menu] require an
alternative for those that don't have such a key. That's why in some
emulators they are the same sequence than some other complex
combinations like S-<f6> or C-S-<f6>; or some keys not present in our
keyboards anymore (like <f15>) but can be emulated with combinations.

They are intended to be more like shortcuts; and when not, we use to
bind to another combination any way. See the vt220 or the vt100
specifications for example.

>* Push for terminfo to include a string capability that indicates the
>sequence sent by the Menu key. Push for the terminfo database to
>include that capability for major terminal emulators.
>
I already discussed this with the xterm developer, but the current
translation is direct and does not rely on tricks in the emulator
side. Xterm actually can distinguish between them, but I can't force
every emacs user to use xterm because it is very limited in many
aspects.

>* Push for rxvt to change its Menu sequence to something different
>from Shift+F6, and submit that sequence to the terminfo database.
>
>* In rxvt.el, change \e[29~ to the new rxvt Menu sequence.
>
This is somehow like create a key sequence to distinguish between 2+2
and 4... Or modifying all the universe around just because we want pi to
be 4 instead of 3,14.

>Even better:
>
>* Use a terminal emulator that lets you distinguish all key combinations.

Actually the recommended terminal emulator to work with emacs is
xterm. It is the most compatible and actually was a topic of a previous
discussion/question I did long time ago.

xterm allows to distinguish between S-<f6> and the [menu] sequence, they
are different. But urxvt and many others don't; so that will imply that
in urxvt, the context menu will take at least 3 keys when bound to
[S-f10]. Because binding to [menu] will also take [S-f6]. That's what I
want to avoid. Also because S-<f10> is already taken.

So again binding it to S-<f6> will solve all the issues with a simpler
trick. 1) not replace the current S-<f10> binding, 2) take only one
S-<f#> binding 3) make the [menu] key work in urxvt the same as with
gui.




  reply	other threads:[~2021-08-24 16:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20210818120834.i3orh535tb2enpos.ref@Ergus>
2021-08-18 12:08 ` New Context Menu Ergus
2021-08-18 12:26   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-18 12:43     ` Ergus
2021-08-18 13:30       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-18 17:17         ` Ergus
2021-08-18 17:21           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-18 17:32             ` Ergus
2021-08-18 16:50       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-18 18:10         ` Ergus
2021-08-18 18:17           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-18 19:23             ` Ergus
2021-08-18 19:28               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-18 19:53                 ` Ergus
2021-08-19  6:31                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-19  7:07                     ` Juri Linkov
2021-08-18 19:34               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-18 18:58         ` Juri Linkov
2021-08-18 19:12           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-19  7:05             ` Juri Linkov
2021-08-19  7:51               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-20  7:13                 ` Juri Linkov
2021-08-20 11:26                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-20 11:41                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-20 16:44                       ` Juri Linkov
2021-08-20 12:26                     ` Ergus
2021-08-20 12:36                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-20 12:59                         ` Ergus
2021-08-20 13:03                         ` Ergus
2021-08-20 13:34                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-20 17:36                             ` Ergus
2021-08-20 18:05                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-20 18:08                                 ` Ergus
2021-08-20 19:07                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-21  6:20                                     ` Ergus
2021-08-21  6:53                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-21 15:04                                         ` Ergus
2021-08-20 18:15                                 ` Ergus
2021-08-20 23:15                                   ` Michael Welsh Duggan
2021-08-18 14:04   ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2021-08-18 16:38     ` Iñigo Serna
2021-08-19  0:38       ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2021-08-19  7:08         ` Juri Linkov
2021-08-19 14:22           ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2021-08-19  7:01   ` Juri Linkov
2021-08-19  8:03     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-19 14:11       ` Ergus
2021-08-19 15:48         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-19 16:34           ` Yuri Khan
2021-08-20  7:14       ` Juri Linkov
2021-08-20 11:29         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-20 16:49           ` Juri Linkov
2021-08-20 18:01             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-23  7:33               ` Juri Linkov
2021-08-23 11:36                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-23 16:04                   ` Juri Linkov
2021-08-23 16:35                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-23 17:42                       ` Juri Linkov
2021-08-23 18:02                         ` Ergus
2021-08-24  6:35                           ` Juri Linkov
2021-08-24  8:00                             ` Ergus
2021-08-24 11:44                               ` Yuri Khan
2021-08-24 16:05                                 ` Ergus [this message]
2021-08-24 19:41                                   ` Yuri Khan
2021-08-24 20:48                                     ` Ergus
2021-08-19 13:57     ` Ergus
2021-08-20  7:24       ` Juri Linkov
2021-08-20 12:21         ` Ergus
2021-08-20 16:41           ` Juri Linkov
2021-08-21  4:33             ` Ergus via Emacs development discussions.
2021-08-22  8:56               ` Juri Linkov
2021-08-27  6:21   ` New Context Menu and mouse-1 Juri Linkov
2021-08-27  6:55     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-27 17:03       ` Juri Linkov
2021-08-27 22:01         ` Stefan Monnier
2021-08-28 18:52           ` Juri Linkov
2021-08-29 16:53           ` Juri Linkov
2021-08-30  7:22             ` Juri Linkov
2021-08-30 12:54               ` Stefan Monnier

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