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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:271589 Archived-At: --huq684BweRXVnRxX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Jul 24, 2021 at 11:21:57PM +0200, =C3=93scar Fuentes wrote: > Stephen Leake writes: >=20 > >> Everyone compiling Emacs has a C compiler, but not everyone has an Ada > >> compiler.=20 > > > > Actually, anyone that uses gcc can easily have an Ada compiler; it's > > either already there or easily installed.=20 >=20 > While gcc 11.2 is days away from being released, MSYS2 is stuck with gcc > 10.3 because Ada does not build [...] > Then we could discuss the wisdom of depending on a key component written > on a language with very few hackers around [...] Indeed an important point (although myself, I'm a staunch defender of diversity in software). For an example on how such a story may unfold, see the sad story of the SKS keyserver [1]. A central component of the web of trust has an important bug and nobody dares to touch it... because it's written in OCaml [2]. Cheers [1] https://csirt.cy/en/sks-keyserver-network-under-attack/ [2] Yeah, that's simplifying a bit, but the point is how utterly important "code accessibility" is in free software. - t --huq684BweRXVnRxX Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAmD9Ez8ACgkQBcgs9XrR2kYLUACeM0eIUCsJ/DVeMf20ABHYFzMd 3sUAn2oWFmkuOBKICIKYROXc68TE7sZJ =3DgA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --huq684BweRXVnRxX--