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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:263854 Archived-At: On Wed, Feb 03, 2021 at 06:41:50PM -0600, Stefan Kangas wrote: >Ergus writes: > >> My problem is not the discussion itself, not even the final result; but >> that when it becomes a "discussion" nothing finally happens FWIS. Either >> if it is a general discussion like "modernizing emacs" or a very >> specific one like this. > >I mean, sure. Please help by sending patches, and more will get done. > >FWIW, I'm working in silence on an improved splash screen, but since I >do this in my spare time I tend to work on what strikes my fancy for the >day, and progress is consequently fairly slow. I have some other >project ideas from the "modernizing Emacs" discussion, but again only >limited time. > >> IMHO, I would prefer that after a deadline you make a decision (even if >> it is the opposite to what I expect) and close it. Otherwise it becomes >> a never ending collections of emails with no final results... > >I guess there is nothing to make a final decision about unless someone >threatens with a patch. Please do that more. :-) Could we revert the previous one then?? That's the first part of my question. The second is to send a new functionality patch; but for that a second decision needs to be made. Do we add a map? do we let it free? Do we bind it somewhere else? Gregory made a reasonable proposal IMO, but some other users prefer to keep it free (so simply revert the patch)... To send a patch I need to know what to do...