From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: tomas@tuxteam.de Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Introducing emacs-webkit and more thoughts on Emacs rendering (was Rethinking the design of xwidgets) Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2020 09:46:30 +0100 Message-ID: <20201125084630.GA16290@tuxteam.de> References: <864kmzupp0.fsf@akirakyle.com> <86pn46awrr.fsf@akirakyle.com> <87y2ise7j5.fsf@gnus.org> <20201124084712.GA27615@tuxteam.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="BXVAT5kNtrzKuDFl" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="22931"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: Arthur Miller , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Richard Stallman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Nov 25 09:48:50 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1khqTq-0005rM-Kh for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 25 Nov 2020 09:48:50 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50748 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1khqTp-00031y-HU for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 25 Nov 2020 03:48:49 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:47110) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1khqSB-000233-T4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Nov 2020 03:47:08 -0500 Original-Received: from mail.tuxteam.de ([5.199.139.25]:55219) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1khqS0-0006og-Nr; Wed, 25 Nov 2020 03:47:00 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tuxteam.de; s=mail; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date; bh=Hr0SLb/eo5Mp+IUF9zYyzswlscyAp1Xhf57T8QmSrRE=; b=duDLar1kmpcGIUf5k5ZFEWX4NK3RJ8HRStpUSdBFURq4nrqFL4FWMo0yfCS6RwxmtULT2f1uUorA7fnBxnh71Vy3izDW0TuvJHydr/F5fYSQ0H5Jq3oYR0p/AkgMP763L0HdQgJjE0uNL5BPJf2nomkY1RZIR/VjI1SHbHVJ6k/nW7SFbkXpFNvi1OD1m5FepuQoxOPgyK57UJRZzyun4zvPXTAPDDxPoPSJAw82KkLOjcKr7j1Y/5HAPyBZChQxIfZX6niH5rXaquIaz/he02cWXQLwP7DKt043MzIZGdw+zC30M2kfaQSGQkFSIudUVutJ5Vm69d7KynDokX14iw==; Original-Received: from tomas by mail.tuxteam.de with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1khqRf-0004qT-Dr; Wed, 25 Nov 2020 09:46:35 +0100 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=5.199.139.25; envelope-from=tomas@tuxteam.de; helo=mail.tuxteam.de X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:259772 Archived-At: --BXVAT5kNtrzKuDFl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Nov 25, 2020 at 12:38:37AM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] >=20 > > was, but it was also before the Node and before JS become ubiquitious= in > > every application, >=20 > People can use web apps if they wish, but please do not tell people > that that's all there is nowadays. GNU/Linux has plenty of > applications which users install on their own computers and contain no > Javascript. >=20 > That old way is also the way that is good for users' control of the > software. Distros package the program and offer their own versions. > In doing this, they audit the code. Not completely, but it's still a > good thing. The distros compete but also learn from each other. That > is the way in which our community traditionally protects itself > against malware and bugs. >=20 > "Web applications", even if their code is released as free software, > structure a system of release and usage which has no room for distros, > and this interferes with users' having control over the program. >=20 > A structure which precludes this is dangerous in practice, even if in > principle it should not change anything. Can't agree more (see my answer to your other post). 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