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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:258892 Archived-At: On 2020-11-08 13:09, Arthur Miller wrote: > Boruch Baum writes: > > > That's why I never end up actually ever using your extensions, Drew. I > > think they're great and I enjoy reading them, but it always ends up > > intimidating me with a sense of overkill. > But if an extension is overkill, how is then creaing entire system > instead not? :-) Sorry, I just can't resist to ask. Fair. The diredc "system" is only a few lines of code, with nothing at all complicated (compare the data structures and compare the code to the emacs native bookmards). It does presume a 'segregationist' mind-set that I clearly have and many on this list don't, ie. it didn't occur to me that people find it desirable to mix up bookmark types. Even though I've been an emacs user for over 20 years, I was probably also heavily influenced by pretty much all other file managers, that do have a bookmark feature, only for directory places. I expect many people coming to emacs more recently might also have their expectations likewise influenced by all those other file managers. Now, if one can argue that it's *objectively* better to mix bookmarks, then one can clearly reject the diredc system, but once it becomes a subjective issue of expectation and personal preference, the diredc system isn't so easy to reject. =2D- hkp://keys.gnupg.net CA45 09B5 5351 7C11 A9D1 7286 0036 9E45 1595 8BC0