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envelope-from=boruch_baum@gmx.com; helo=mout.gmx.net X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/11/08 07:27:14 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:192872 Archived-At: On 2020-11-08 13:29, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > On November 8, 2020 11:15:50 AM GMT+02:00, Boruch Baum wrote: > > Shouldn't emacs ship with the default value of variable > > file-name-coding-system being equal to that of the default value of > > default-file-name-coding-system? > > > > file-name-coding-system =3D> nil > > (default-value file-name-coding-system) =3D> nil > > default-file-name-coding-system =3D> utf-8-unix > > These are 2 separate variables, see the doc string of default-file-name-= coding-system. One is for the user to set, thus nil by default, the other= is what Emacs thinks should be the OS default. They are separate because= Unix filesystems traditionally treat file names as byte streams, without = imposing any encoding restrictions on them. I'm proposing that even the one that's 'for the user to set' should have a sane default. I'm a user, and it never occurred to me I needed to set that variable (among all the other emacs variables begging a customization). What percentage of users do you think install emacs and on their own initiative say, "Of course, I now need to set file-name-coding-system". If so, maybe it should be part of the official emacs tutorial (sarcasm)? =2D- hkp://keys.gnupg.net CA45 09B5 5351 7C11 A9D1 7286 0036 9E45 1595 8BC0