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From: Boruch Baum <boruch_baum@gmx.com>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: Arthur Miller <arthur.miller@live.com>,
	Emacs-Devel List <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Friendlier dired experience [CODE INCLUDED]
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2020 04:15:25 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20201106091525.mzkxrssm7o43jvff@E15-2016.optimum.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwvo8kbluiu.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>

On 2020-11-05 10:05, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> >> How do you do bookmarks? I just bookmarked a folder with your shortcut
> >> C-c b a; and the bookmark does not show in bookmarks list.
> > diredc-bookmark-* doesn't share the generic emacs bookmark list. The
> > consideration was not mix directory locations with locations within
> > files. I know that emacs bookmarks works on directories and opens a
> > dired buffer for them, but it made no sense to me mix the two forms
>
> Do you think it could make sense to keep diredc bookmarks in the normal
> bookmarks by arranging for the normal "directory bookmarks" to be
> "hijacked" by diredc

Hmm. I'm looking at the code for bookmarks and the variable
bookmark-alist, and what I see is that directory bookmarks have a NIL
handler, ie. function bookmark-default-handler, which runs function
find-file-noselect, which is directly or indirectly called by
"everyone", including diredc. So, I suppose a way to 'hijack' the
bookmark process would be to advise around function
bookmark-default-handler checking for the current buffer's major-mode,
the state of variable diredc-mode and whether the bookmark is a
directory. The ugly part of the 'hijack' is keeping the code of the
advice in sync with the underlying function.

> (i.e. not to open a new dired buffer but to open the dir within
> diredc)

The diredc interest isn't only in the buffer management; it also needs
to maintain the history stack (it's not a simple push/pop, see there)
for each new navigation.

>  when called from diredc?

What about the case of diredc-mode being enabled, but the current-frame
isn't the diredc frame (ie. the user is not currently using dired)? You
wouldn't want to jump to that frame and open the directory in one of its
windows?

> You'd still have the downside that the general bookmarks include all the
> other non-directory bookmarks, so maybe it's not a good idea anyway.

Your intuition or my intuition doesn't matter. For me the mixing
certainly is a huge down-side, but you've seen from some of the reaction
to your post that people just do things their own way to their own
preference. The filtering feature that Drew mentioned exists in
bookmarks+ sounds good, in that it retains the standard emacs bookmark
code and allows the completion candidates to be filtered.

> [ I'm not using bookmarks very much, so my intuition here is poor.  ]

I use them a lot, but for the past many years only for temporary
place marks.

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-11-06  9:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 95+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-11-03 10:43 Friendlier dired experience [CODE INCLUDED] Boruch Baum
2020-11-03 10:54 ` Jean Louis
2020-11-03 11:15   ` Boruch Baum
2020-11-03 11:32     ` Joost Kremers
2020-11-03 12:22       ` Boruch Baum
2020-11-03 16:07     ` Jean Louis
2020-11-03 17:12       ` Boruch Baum
2020-11-03 19:31         ` Jean Louis
2020-11-03 21:13           ` Boruch Baum
2020-11-04  8:10             ` Jean Louis
2020-11-04  8:54               ` Boruch Baum
2020-11-04  9:57                 ` Jean Louis
2020-11-04 10:39                   ` Jean Louis
2020-11-04 13:17                     ` Boruch Baum
2020-11-04 15:32                       ` Joost Kremers
2020-11-04 15:58                         ` Stefan Monnier
2020-11-04 17:23                         ` Jean Louis
2020-11-04 17:15                       ` Jean Louis
2020-11-04 15:28                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-03 11:24   ` Boruch Baum
2020-11-03 15:10 ` Stefan Kangas
2020-11-03 16:10   ` Jean Louis
2020-11-03 17:16     ` Boruch Baum
2020-11-03 17:59       ` Michael Albinus
2020-11-03 19:10         ` Boruch Baum
2020-11-03 19:49           ` Jean Louis
2020-11-04  6:08             ` Pankaj Jangid
2020-11-04 19:57           ` Michael Albinus
2020-11-04 20:18             ` Yuri Khan
2020-11-04 20:29               ` Michael Albinus
2020-11-05  8:54             ` Boruch Baum
2020-11-05 10:11               ` Jean Louis
2020-11-05 13:31               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-04 19:28       ` Stefan Kangas
2020-11-04 19:39         ` Boruch Baum
2020-11-05 15:00           ` Stefan Kangas
2020-11-06  9:34             ` Boruch Baum
2020-11-04 18:07 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-11-04 18:32   ` Boruch Baum
2020-11-04 18:55     ` Stefan Monnier
2020-11-05  8:05       ` Arthur Miller
2020-11-05  9:22         ` Boruch Baum
2020-11-05 12:54           ` Arthur Miller
2020-11-05 13:34             ` Jean Louis
2020-11-05 14:38             ` Boruch Baum
2020-11-05 15:05               ` Stefan Monnier
2020-11-05 15:34                 ` Arthur Miller
2020-11-05 15:45                   ` Stefan Monnier
2020-11-05 16:18                     ` Adam Porter
2020-11-05 17:02                       ` Stefan Monnier
2020-11-05 17:09                         ` Drew Adams
2020-11-05 17:08                       ` Drew Adams
2020-11-05 16:19                     ` Arthur Miller
2020-11-05 17:56                       ` Jean Louis
2020-11-05 17:08                     ` Drew Adams
2020-11-06  9:15                 ` Boruch Baum [this message]
2020-11-06 14:14                   ` Stefan Monnier
2020-11-06 16:28                   ` Drew Adams
2020-11-06 19:43                     ` Adam Porter
2020-11-06 20:24                       ` Drew Adams
2020-11-06 20:57                         ` Adam Porter
2020-11-07  0:30                           ` Daniel Martín
2020-11-08  9:36                     ` Boruch Baum
2020-11-08 12:09                       ` Arthur Miller
2020-11-08 12:40                         ` Boruch Baum
2020-11-08 13:37                           ` Jean Louis
2020-11-08 16:48                             ` Drew Adams
2020-11-08 18:26                               ` on hyperlinks (bookmarks) Jean Louis
2020-11-08 19:47                                 ` Drew Adams
2020-11-08 20:26                                   ` Jean Louis
2020-11-08 13:45                           ` Friendlier dired experience [CODE INCLUDED] Arthur Miller
2020-11-08 16:48                       ` Drew Adams
2020-11-08 17:37                         ` Boruch Baum
2020-11-08 19:24                           ` Drew Adams
2020-11-05 15:29               ` Arthur Miller
2020-11-05 16:25                 ` Adam Porter
2020-11-05 16:47                   ` Arthur Miller
2020-11-05 18:00                   ` Jean Louis
2020-11-05 18:56                     ` Adam Porter
2020-11-05 19:33                       ` Jean Louis
2020-11-06  4:55                     ` Arthur Miller
2020-11-06  9:49                 ` Boruch Baum
2020-11-06  9:42             ` Boruch Baum
2020-11-05 14:21           ` Stefan Monnier
2020-11-05  9:56         ` Jean Louis
2020-11-05 17:07         ` Drew Adams
2020-11-08 19:46         ` Juri Linkov
2020-11-08 19:50           ` Sv: " arthur miller
2020-11-09 22:45 ` Mathias Dahl
2020-11-09 23:20   ` Stefan Monnier
2020-11-10  0:05     ` Drew Adams
2020-11-10  2:31     ` T.V Raman
2020-11-10  6:47       ` Jean Louis
2020-11-11 19:23   ` Juri Linkov
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2020-11-04 17:28 Boruch Baum

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