From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Proposal for an Emacs User Survey Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 14:38:07 +0300 Message-ID: <20201020113613.GA3969@t400> References: <30addebe-999b-c1cc-a8d8-27aba3fac566@gmx.com> <875z76p4pg.fsf@posteo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="24407"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) Cc: "Philip K." , Richard Stallman , emacs-devel To: Thibaut Verron Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 26 18:18:12 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kX68J-0006Fr-LT for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 26 Oct 2020 18:18:11 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53728 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kX68I-0006Za-J8 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 26 Oct 2020 13:18:10 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:48448) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kX65z-0004Fs-2Q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 26 Oct 2020 13:15:47 -0400 Original-Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]:36813) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kX65w-0007y5-Ja; Mon, 26 Oct 2020 13:15:45 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([::ffff:197.157.0.60]) (AUTH: PLAIN securesender, TLS: TLS1.2,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by stw1.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 0000000000012142.000000005F97043D.000006B2; Mon, 26 Oct 2020 10:15:40 -0700 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.170.207.13; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=stw1.rcdrun.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/10/26 11:47:59 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: 30 X-Spam_score: 3.0 X-Spam_bar: +++ X-Spam_report: (3.0 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DATE_IN_PAST_96_XX=3.405, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.5, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:258460 Archived-At: * Thibaut Verron [2020-10-20 14:04]: > Le mar. 20 oct. 2020 ?? 11:48, Jean Louis a ??crit : > > > > * Thibaut Verron [2020-10-20 11:23]: > > > I agree, but that's because of difficulties inherent to polling, not > > > because of a bias that could have been easily avoided. > > > > It is not difficult, it is one simple stupid HTML, make it nice with > > CSS, form can be accepted and saved in file for later processing. > > Yes, I thought I was clearly stating that the difficulties I was > referring to were not related to the form of the survey, where in my > opinion they did choose a reasonable path. 20 years ago we were handling forms with Perl's form.cgi For me is surprising that Emacs survey has to be done with third party providers. If anybody would ask me, I would make it in simple HTML, what I already proposed, and I could install the background CGI to accept the form. > The difficulties are inherent to polling and concern reaching a > sufficiently large sample, weighing it for representativity, etc. Both ways how the surve have been presented with the proprietary Javascript and with the download of the Org file, are not user friendly and cannot reach large sample. One also needs marketing skills.