From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Proposal for an Emacs User Survey Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2020 22:17:58 +0300 Message-ID: <20201016191758.GK11061@protected.rcdrun.com> References: <20201013052736.GE31408@protected.rcdrun.com> <20201016130235.06218dae@argon> <20201016142436.187b8210@argon> <20201016152523.6fdfef65@argon> <6142a27f-c53b-35bf-1038-5f047395e868@yandex.ru> <20201016204531.77fab05b@argon> <725aa7c4-321f-4483-5a21-a148ff7f119b@yandex.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="1971"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/1.14.0 (2020-05-02) Cc: Marcel Ventosa , Richard Stallman , Thibaut Verron , emacs-devel To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Oct 16 21:21:58 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kTVIc-0000OS-IV for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 21:21:58 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35818 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kTVIa-0003fw-N3 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 15:21:56 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:34836) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kTVEv-000211-Pg for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 15:18:09 -0400 Original-Received: from static.rcdrun.com ([95.85.24.50]:42691) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kTVEt-0006rm-UL; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 15:18:09 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([::ffff:41.210.154.50]) (AUTH: PLAIN admin, TLS: TLS1.2,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by static.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 00000000002A0B37.000000005F89F1ED.00006889; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 19:18:04 +0000 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <725aa7c4-321f-4483-5a21-a148ff7f119b@yandex.ru> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=95.85.24.50; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=static.rcdrun.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/10/16 12:33:49 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.11 and newer [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:257856 Archived-At: * Dmitry Gutov [2020-10-16 17:04]: > And picking on 2-3 "ideologically impure" packages (out of several > thousands!) that are distributed on MELPA is counter-productive. There are few only until letter C, and I did not finish letter C, so I guess there are many, number of downloads in thousands, that is pretty devastating for a repository that is supposed to push free software, in other words, repository is hypocritical. Would it be only hypocritical without influencing users, fine, but it does influence thousands of users and is promoting the download number of software that guides users to non-free software, so that is how it becomes not ethical. You know, in many countries, government is working for people, but from time to time, they will simply kill someone. You get the idea? Is it counter productive to complain on few killed? > > I don't understand how refusing to draw attention to a repository that > > recommends proprietary software turns anyone into the "thought police". > > It's a *survey*! A survey is supposed to gather insight into what users do, > and what they need. Not shape their behavior. Every professional public survey is there to shape their behavior. You do the survey, you find out what public wants, then you make changes in such manner to influence public to gather more around you. All professional surveys are like that. There is nothing wrong with it.