From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Proposal for an Emacs User Survey Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2020 22:11:39 +0300 Message-ID: <20201016191139.GJ11061@protected.rcdrun.com> References: <20201013052736.GE31408@protected.rcdrun.com> <20201016130235.06218dae@argon> <20201016142436.187b8210@argon> <20201016152523.6fdfef65@argon> <6142a27f-c53b-35bf-1038-5f047395e868@yandex.ru> <20201016135716.badql43yd7susxtt@Ergus> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="22214"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/1.14.0 (2020-05-02) Cc: Marcel Ventosa , emacs-devel , Richard Stallman , Thibaut Verron , Dmitry Gutov To: Ergus Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Oct 16 21:17:24 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kTVEB-0005hs-S2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 21:17:23 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59430 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kTVEA-0001QY-U6 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 15:17:22 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:33218) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kTV8s-0006Fc-OB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 15:11:54 -0400 Original-Received: from static.rcdrun.com ([95.85.24.50]:56929) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kTV8p-0005sK-O5; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 15:11:54 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([::ffff:41.210.154.50]) (AUTH: PLAIN admin, TLS: TLS1.2,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by static.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 00000000002A0B37.000000005F89F072.00006789; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 19:11:45 +0000 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20201016135716.badql43yd7susxtt@Ergus> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=95.85.24.50; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=static.rcdrun.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/10/16 12:33:49 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.11 and newer [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:257854 Archived-At: * Ergus [2020-10-16 16:58]: > Reject using melpa for ideological reasons means that the users won't > have alternatives for their work and emacs will become like a useless > tool for a big part of our community; whitout melpa many users will go > for more "useful" alternatives that really steal their freedom like > VSCode or Atom... because they need to have the work done any way. Not true, it is very easy to replicate MELPA, and publish on a website, while removing any proprietary wrappers or accessors. In fact MELPA is free software project, so everybody is free to do it, all what you need is a standard server software, git, Emacs, web server, it is quite easy. Just git clone melpa, make, you will see what is happening, then you can modify it little and have all proprietary stuff removed.