From: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Stop frames stealing eachothers' minibuffers!
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2020 19:51:03 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20201013195103.GB8896@ACM> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <838sca0w7k.fsf@gnu.org>
Hello, Eli.
On Tue, Oct 13, 2020 at 22:20:15 +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> > Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2020 19:02:55 +0000
> > From: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
> > Seeing as how a minibuffer often has a strong association with its frame
> > (e.g., C-x C-f opens a buffer in the same frame it was invoked from),
> > this shifting of minibuffers from one frame to another is confusing.
> Is it?
It is (or was) to me. Seeing it for the first time, a user wouldn't
know whether the C-x C-f would open the buffer in the current frame or
the one she issued the command from.
> It makes sure the minibuffer is on the selected frame, which is
> natural in many/most use cases.
It only does this sometimes. If the command using the minibuffer is
given on frame F1, and the selected frame becomes F2, the minibuffer
sometimes moves, sometimes doesn't, depending on what the user does.
For example, C-s in F2 doesn't usually move the minibuffer, but it will
if you use C-x 8 RET. This is inconsistent.
> Forcing the user to go back to a non-selected frame _is_ IMO confusing
> and inconvenient, at least in the usual cases.
I don't find it so. The frame you complete a minibuffer command in
should be the one you started it from. IMNSHO.
--
Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).
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2020-10-13 19:02 Stop frames stealing eachothers' minibuffers! Alan Mackenzie
2020-10-13 19:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-13 19:51 ` Alan Mackenzie [this message]
2020-10-13 20:25 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-10-13 20:44 ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-10-13 21:02 ` Drew Adams
2020-10-14 14:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-14 16:02 ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-10-14 16:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-14 16:35 ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-10-14 17:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-14 18:45 ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-10-14 18:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-14 19:49 ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-10-15 13:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-15 18:01 ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-10-15 18:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-21 15:19 ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-10-21 16:49 ` Drew Adams
2020-10-21 19:13 ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-10-21 18:32 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-21 19:38 ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-10-21 20:04 ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-10-22 16:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-23 20:42 ` C-x o is moving between frames. [Was: Stop frames stealing eachothers' minibuffers!] Alan Mackenzie
2020-10-23 20:55 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-24 7:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-24 15:44 ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-10-24 18:40 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-24 19:29 ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-10-30 22:09 ` Stop frames stealing eachothers' minibuffers! Alan Mackenzie
2020-10-31 7:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-31 16:14 ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-10-31 16:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-31 19:44 ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-10-31 20:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-31 20:39 ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-11-01 18:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-01 19:53 ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-11-01 20:52 ` Non-nested minibuffers (was: Stop frames stealing eachothers' minibuffers!) Stefan Monnier
2020-11-02 17:19 ` Stop frames stealing eachothers' minibuffers! Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-02 18:51 ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-11-02 19:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-03 21:08 ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-11-04 16:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-04 17:39 ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-11-09 15:09 ` Madhu
2020-11-09 20:34 ` Andrii Kolomoiets
2020-11-10 3:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-10 8:08 ` Andrii Kolomoiets
2020-11-10 8:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-10 13:21 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-11-10 17:27 ` Andrii Kolomoiets
2020-11-10 18:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-10 22:43 ` Andrii Kolomoiets
2020-11-11 15:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-10 19:57 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-11-10 22:54 ` Andrii Kolomoiets
2020-11-10 23:18 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-11-11 7:47 ` Andrii Kolomoiets
2020-11-11 16:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-11 20:37 ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-11-14 13:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-14 17:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-14 18:48 ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-11-14 19:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-14 19:24 ` martin rudalics
2020-11-14 21:37 ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-11-15 8:48 ` martin rudalics
2020-11-19 10:40 ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-11-19 11:40 ` Andrii Kolomoiets
2020-11-19 13:30 ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-11-20 18:47 ` martin rudalics
2020-11-20 21:00 ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-11-20 21:36 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-11-21 9:02 ` martin rudalics
2020-11-21 10:27 ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-11-21 11:55 ` martin rudalics
2020-11-21 12:45 ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-11-21 15:53 ` martin rudalics
2020-11-22 10:59 ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-11-22 15:13 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-11-22 17:11 ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-11-22 19:58 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-11-22 17:57 ` martin rudalics
2020-11-22 18:38 ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-11-23 9:10 ` martin rudalics
2020-11-23 13:36 ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-11-23 14:22 ` martin rudalics
2020-11-23 16:07 ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-11-23 18:08 ` martin rudalics
2020-11-23 20:16 ` Andrii Kolomoiets
2020-11-24 8:46 ` martin rudalics
2020-11-23 20:22 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-23 20:26 ` Andrii Kolomoiets
2020-11-24 8:47 ` martin rudalics
2020-11-24 8:46 ` martin rudalics
2020-11-24 10:25 ` martin rudalics
2020-11-24 11:37 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-24 19:24 ` martin rudalics
2020-11-25 9:25 ` martin rudalics
2020-11-25 21:09 ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-11-25 21:31 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-25 21:54 ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-11-25 22:23 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-27 10:02 ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-11-27 10:36 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-27 10:47 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-27 11:20 ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-11-27 12:03 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-27 11:14 ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-11-27 12:03 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-27 15:42 ` martin rudalics
2020-11-27 15:54 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-27 17:14 ` martin rudalics
2020-11-27 17:43 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-27 18:08 ` martin rudalics
2020-11-27 20:02 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-27 18:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-26 15:44 ` martin rudalics
2020-11-26 20:32 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
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2020-11-27 20:05 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-28 10:45 ` Alan Mackenzie
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2020-11-29 18:15 ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-11-27 10:13 ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-11-27 10:36 ` martin rudalics
2020-11-27 11:30 ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-11-27 12:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2020-11-27 14:09 ` Stefan Monnier
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2020-11-27 22:00 ` Alan Mackenzie
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