From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Proposal for an Emacs User Survey Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2020 23:36:21 +0300 Message-ID: <20201011203621.GV2923@protected.rcdrun.com> References: <30addebe-999b-c1cc-a8d8-27aba3fac566@gmx.com> <4a1188f8-9864-54c0-ae6f-5f32102d9757@gmx.com> <874kn2sdss.fsf@iki.fi> <20201011103235.GA28425@protected.rcdrun.com> <20201011182550.GN2923@protected.rcdrun.com> <5b4a194a-4294-4bc3-ae25-ccc676d8f08e@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="6759"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/1.14.0 (2020-05-02) Cc: Adrien Brochard , rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 11 22:43:43 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kRiBy-0001ew-Vt for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 22:43:42 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46152 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kRiBx-0003WG-VN for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 16:43:42 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:57906) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kRi6K-0002yW-5e for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 16:37:52 -0400 Original-Received: from [95.85.24.50] (port=35789 helo=static.rcdrun.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kRi6I-0005c4-JG; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 16:37:51 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([::ffff:197.157.0.35]) (AUTH: PLAIN admin, TLS: TLS1.2,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by static.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 00000000002A0B3D.000000005F836D1A.00006E91; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 20:37:45 +0000 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5b4a194a-4294-4bc3-ae25-ccc676d8f08e@default> X-Host-Lookup-Failed: Reverse DNS lookup failed for 95.85.24.50 (failed) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=95.85.24.50; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=static.rcdrun.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/10/11 13:16:16 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.11 and newer [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: 4 X-Spam_score: 0.4 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: (0.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.5, RDNS_NONE=0.793, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:257413 Archived-At: * Drew Adams [2020-10-11 22:48]: > Those kinds of things are indeed also possible. We could add a > submenu of `Help' for things related to the existing mailing lists > (reading, subscribing, submitting). Please install Hyperbole and see how they done that. > > > Well, it doesn't constitute a "survey", but it does correspond to > > > what RMS, I, and Jean-Louis have emphasized here: getting users to > > > say, in their own words, what they want and what they do. > > > > Let me emphasize again, there is number of users who will never speak > > in public or publish their opinion, why should they? (as thinking from > > their view point). In my opinion that is greater number of Emacs > > users. It has to be taken in consideration if then developers are > > working only for those who are online louder and more exposed to talk, > > or if they should be maybe working on some set of principles for > > general users. > > Of course. For active input we're pretty much limited to voluntary > contribution. That can be encouraged, but we can be sure, at most, > only that it represents the views of the volunteers. Those who don't want to tell anything, should speak out louder...