From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alan Mackenzie Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: New multi-command facility displays in the wrong echo area. Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2020 10:32:33 +0000 Message-ID: <20201010103233.GB5662@ACM> References: <20201009163445.GB4027@ACM> <20201009203810.GC4027@ACM> <83imbi609a.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="5008"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Oct 10 12:33:48 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kRCCC-0001DK-Pa for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 10 Oct 2020 12:33:48 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41904 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kRCCB-0002vv-Rl for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 10 Oct 2020 06:33:47 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:39602) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kRCBB-0002Ub-Lf for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 10 Oct 2020 06:32:45 -0400 Original-Received: from colin.muc.de ([193.149.48.1]:21887 helo=mail.muc.de) by eggs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kRCB4-0007WI-T3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 10 Oct 2020 06:32:45 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail 46199 invoked by uid 3782); 10 Oct 2020 10:32:33 -0000 Original-Received: from acm.muc.de (p2e5d5308.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [46.93.83.8]) by localhost.muc.de (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Sat, 10 Oct 2020 12:32:33 +0200 Original-Received: (qmail 5749 invoked by uid 1000); 10 Oct 2020 10:32:33 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <83imbi609a.fsf@gnu.org> X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.1.12 (Macallan) X-Primary-Address: acm@muc.de Received-SPF: pass client-ip=193.149.48.1; envelope-from=acm@muc.de; helo=mail.muc.de X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/10/10 06:15:10 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = FreeBSD 9.x or newer [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:257313 Archived-At: Hello, Eli. On Sat, Oct 10, 2020 at 09:52:33 +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2020 20:38:10 +0000 > > From: Alan Mackenzie > > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > > > FWIW, this behavior has been with us at least since Emacs-21. > > Yes. At least, it's present in Emacs 27.1. How come I've never noticed > > it before? > > This morning, it was C-x C-s which failed to give me any output, > > although I was expecting to see "(No files need saving)". > > I still say it's wrong, but I suppose if I want it fixed, I'll have to > > fix it myself. > It is quite unusual to leave an active minibuffer and switch to > another frame to start an Isearch. It's rather something I tend to do by accident. I start a command in frame F1 which uses the minibuffer, I swap to F2 to look for the text I want to enter in F1, then sometimes forget I've got the command in F1 still active. > If you want to fix that, let's please first talk about what kind if > fix are you looking for. Above all, I want the command in F2 to use the echo area of F2, not that of F1 (which in my TTY setup is not visible). > Do you intend to leave the active minibuffer on the original frame, and > use the other frame for Isearch? Note that Isearch also uses the > minibuffer. I'm not understanding that, properly. When I enter characters into isearch in F2, this doesn't throw an error when the F1 minibuffer is still active. Is isearch perhaps just using the echo area, here? Anyway, I tried the suggestion of Gregory Heytings from yesterday evening at 21:48:49 +0000. He put an extra condition into set-minibuffer-message, so that it only does its thing when the current frame is also the minibuffer's frame. It appears to work well. -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).