From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: How to make Emacs popular again. Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2020 17:28:22 +0300 Message-ID: <20201007142822.GO13893@protected.rcdrun.com> References: <20200926163008.GS1349@protected.rcdrun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="27581"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/1.14.0 (2020-05-02) Cc: Gregory Heytings , Bob Newell , emacs-devel To: =?utf-8?B?Sm/Do28gVMOhdm9yYQ==?= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 07 16:39:20 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kQAbA-00075F-L7 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 07 Oct 2020 16:39:20 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45722 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kQAb9-0001nk-KG for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 07 Oct 2020 10:39:19 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:43302) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kQAW5-0006o1-PW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 07 Oct 2020 10:34:06 -0400 Original-Received: from [95.85.24.50] (port=43299 helo=static.rcdrun.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kQAW3-0004FY-Qj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 07 Oct 2020 10:34:05 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([::ffff:197.157.0.37]) (AUTH: PLAIN admin, TLS: TLS1.2,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by static.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 00000000002A0A29.000000005F7DD089.000046F1; Wed, 07 Oct 2020 14:28:25 +0000 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Host-Lookup-Failed: Reverse DNS lookup failed for 95.85.24.50 (failed) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=95.85.24.50; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=static.rcdrun.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/10/07 10:28:26 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.11 and newer [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: 4 X-Spam_score: 0.4 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: (0.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.5, RDNS_NONE=0.793, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:257192 Archived-At: * João Távora [2020-10-07 14:23]: > My experience was very close to Gregory's. I also didn't have > patience to follow the tutorial at first, but when I did I ended up > ditching cua-mode and a lot of half-baked stuff I had. I also > didn't read the manual very often, because I didn't find it easily. > I didn't even distinguish correctly between Emacs and Emacs Lisp > manuals, and was confused by Info vs Man. But C-h f and C-h k > and following those hyperlinks were life savers from the start. > Didn't care about the remaining C-h stuff though, which would have > helped, in retrospect. I started using Emacs in 1999, in fact I went to find GNU operating system as I knew it is "type of Unix" that is what I knew, and I wanted good multi-tasking, as I was pissed off with Windows lack of performance in database population for search engine creation. Instead of buying GNU on CD, that was available in Stuttgart's library Witwer at that time, I have purchased some copy of "Red Hat Linux", because I found they have "GNU" inside. Among many software I tried, there was Emacs, that is where I could read about the GNU project, and understand it. I was using various Emacs versions, at that time there was XEmacs I think and Emacs, I did not know what is what, I used both of them, all Emacs were installed and I remember I had pleasure in learning, no hard time, and there was a lot of jokes and stuff to read in the directory of Emacs, I guess those are still there, like those in share/emacs/28.0.50/etc -- and I remember I have not used any special customizations, until I found gnus for news and email, those were only customizations so far I used since 1999, until about some time 2016. Today I don't use customizations on many remote machines and in various user accounts, why should I, I am using it mainly for editing. I have used vi and vim, and from time to time I forget its key bindings, while those from Emacs stay in my fingers. Last person reading tutorial was Ugandan before few days, without previous knowledge of computers, she could easily remember the key bindings she learned, how to move the cursor, save file and similar, I can just say that tutorial is helpful. Jean