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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:256940 Archived-At: On Fri, Oct 02, 2020 at 09:56:39AM +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: Richard Stallman >> Cc: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru, >> thibaut.verron@gmail.com, raman@google.com >> Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2020 23:49:10 -0400 >> >> C-z is the normal character to suspend any program, under the shell. >> Emacs is unusual in that it detects C-z by hand and suspends itself. >> For most programs, C-z generats SIGTSTP to suspend the process. > >I understand. However, suspending Emacs is a very infrequent >operation these days, what with most everyone working in a windowed >environment. And OTOH there are some very frequently-used commands >that can be conveniently bound to C-z; suspending is still possible >with C-x C-z. > >That said, I'm not necessarily arguing to unbind C-z or rebind it by >default, I'm just explaining why I did that myself, long time ago. I >assume there are others like me. > May I ask what you bind to C-z in your config?