From: Ergus <spacibba@aol.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>,
emacs-devel@gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru, thibaut.verron@gmail.com,
raman@google.com
Subject: Re: Opening Up More Keymaps Re: Standardizing more key bindings?
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2020 14:38:12 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20201001123812.sdfy6t3eqbecv733@Ergus> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83362yisgn.fsf@gnu.org>
This thread is totally sacrilegious.. changing C-z to something really
useful?! Heresy in the Emacs church!... I am totally in favor!!!
For the fist step (release C-z)
I see 2 main proposals:
C-x C-z : which is already there
C-z C-z : which will not fight with the user's muscular memory (as we
repeat commands when they don't work the first time). But will require
to be careful with what other commands we add later in the C-z map.
At this point I would say (as a terminal exclusive user) that I don't
care any of those because I already use C-z C-z for that since the
beginning. (Actually C-z C-z C-z because I have tmux prefix also in
C-z).
For new users they have more C-z as undo in their muscular memory... so
I have experienced that they get very confused when C-z makes the window
disappear or closes emacs. Some of them think that emacs just failed and
open a new one.
At this point one of the admins should make a decision and do the change
because there will be not more agreement than this (I think that this is
the higher democratic limit ever reached in an agreement about a
changing default binding here.)
About F2 I don't really think will bother many people as there is an
alternative `C-x 6` since ever.
So please, admins, Close this with a decision from your side and we can
continue with something else. (Otherwise this will be forgotten in few
days)
Best,
Ergus
On Thu, Oct 01, 2020 at 05:35:20AM +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>> From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
>> Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2020 16:45:31 -0400
>> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, thibaut.verron@gmail.com, dgutov@yandex.ru
>>
>> > that's an interesting perspective. Am surprized that you feel tty
>> > users would find C-z z significantly harder than just C-z as the key
>> > to suspend Emacs.
>>
>> I assume tty users have "C-z to suspend" hardwired in their fingers and
>> would be quite surprised if any application decides to use another
>> binding for it.
>
>Do they? Perhaps we should have a survey. FWIW, I use "C-x C-z" for
>that since about forever (I need "C-z" for something much more useful
>and frequent).
>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-10-01 12:38 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 85+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-09-27 9:31 Standardizing more key bindings? Thibaut Verron
2020-09-27 15:57 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-28 3:44 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-28 4:38 ` Thibaut Verron
2020-09-28 7:39 ` Thibaut Verron
2020-09-29 3:30 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-29 5:07 ` Thibaut Verron
2020-09-29 10:36 ` Vasilij Schneidermann
2020-10-01 4:09 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-01 5:20 ` Thibaut Verron
2020-09-29 21:56 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-11-01 4:27 ` Richard Stallman
2020-11-01 6:56 ` References to "REPL" from past Jean Louis
2020-11-01 13:51 ` Standardizing more key bindings? Stefan Monnier
2020-11-02 5:41 ` Richard Stallman
2020-11-02 6:14 ` Yuri Khan
2020-11-02 8:08 ` tomas
2020-11-02 9:50 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-11-02 11:40 ` Python REPL using standard library functions Yuri Khan
2020-11-02 22:46 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-11-01 21:35 ` Standardizing more key bindings? Dmitry Gutov
2020-11-01 22:27 ` Drew Adams
2020-11-02 5:46 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-29 21:58 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-30 6:08 ` Thibaut Verron
2020-09-30 16:58 ` Opening Up More Keymaps " T.V Raman
2020-09-30 17:29 ` Thibaut Verron
2020-09-30 18:12 ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-30 18:16 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-30 18:35 ` T.V Raman
2020-09-30 18:41 ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-30 19:54 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-30 19:58 ` T.V Raman
2020-09-30 20:00 ` Noam Postavsky
2020-09-30 20:03 ` T.V Raman
2020-09-30 21:00 ` chad
2020-09-30 21:34 ` T.V Raman
2020-09-30 20:45 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-30 20:51 ` T.V Raman
2020-09-30 21:13 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-30 21:19 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-30 21:37 ` T.V Raman
2020-09-30 21:44 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-30 23:07 ` T.V Raman
2020-10-01 2:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-01 3:27 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-01 12:38 ` Ergus [this message]
2020-10-01 14:17 ` Stefan Kangas
2020-10-01 14:45 ` Caio Henrique
2020-10-02 3:54 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-02 10:43 ` Ergus
2020-10-04 19:34 ` Juri Linkov
2020-10-02 3:49 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-02 6:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-02 11:34 ` Ergus
2020-10-02 12:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-04 3:38 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-04 10:38 ` Thibaut Verron
2020-10-04 13:46 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-10-04 16:24 ` Thibaut Verron
2020-10-04 17:00 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-10-04 17:32 ` Thibaut Verron
2020-10-04 17:46 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-10-05 3:11 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-06 8:59 ` Lars Brinkhoff
2020-10-04 17:46 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-10-05 3:13 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-04 14:10 ` Howard Melman
2020-10-02 3:45 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-02 6:26 ` Thibaut Verron
2020-10-04 3:39 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-04 3:39 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-02 6:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-02 14:00 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-04 3:38 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-04 7:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-05 3:14 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-02 13:56 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-03 2:57 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-06 12:53 ` Nikolay Kudryavtsev
2020-10-06 13:27 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-06 14:24 ` Nikolay Kudryavtsev
2020-10-06 14:43 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-08 9:40 ` Nikolay Kudryavtsev
2020-10-07 4:19 ` Richard Stallman
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